Decent quality short-scale production CG's

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Decent quality short-scale production CG's

Post by eschutz » Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:30 am

Hello. I'm thinking about a shorter-scale guitar, but in the $1000 range more or less. I have small-ish hands, around 8-1/4-in span thumb-tip to pinky-tip (comfortably stretched), and have read that I might benefit from a 640 mm or even a 628 mm CG instead of the usual 650 mm. I've always had trouble with bridging and stretches (e.g., in Anon's Romanza, 2nd part) -- of course I know lots of people have some trouble with these, but maybe mine is more than usual? Kenny Hill's short-scale New World Estudio's (and Player's) fit this bill. Are there others of similar quality?

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Re: Decent quality short-scale production CG's

Post by Laudiesdad69 » Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:01 am

I had a Kenny Hill New World Estudio in 640mm. They are one of the few short scale guitars that are super affordable. They are built in China. As far as quality goes, they are about like Cordoba. They are more expensive than Cordoba, but Cordoba doesn't have the options offered on the Hill. They are a good option I think.

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Re: Decent quality short-scale production CG's

Post by souldier » Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:29 pm

I've played some pretty fantastic Cordoba C9 or C10 parlor guitars (630 scale with a 50mm nut). They don't lose much if any projection and volume from their standard size counterparts and they are very comfortable for the left hand if your hands are small. They are less expensive than the Kenny Hills and can easily hold their own against them. I also like how the Cordoba's have a truss rod. Trying before you buy or at least having a good return policy is always preferred which is readily available with Cordoba guitars unless you buy used.
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Re: Decent quality short-scale production CG's

Post by eschutz » Sat Feb 17, 2018 3:03 pm

Thanks for the tips. I found a new Kenny Hill Player 628mm cedar top, 50mm nut width, in Maple Street Guitars (Atlanta - great place!) and went ahead & bought it. I had re-measured my hand and discovered my span was actually less than 8-in when *comfortably* stretched, and the Hill site recommends the 628 in that case. It is a sweet guitar and the reduced size - somewhere between 7/8 and full-size - doesn't noticeably affect the tone, as far as my old ears could tell, and is a bit easier to play.

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Re: Decent quality short-scale production CG's

Post by Laudiesdad69 » Sat Feb 17, 2018 9:46 pm

Was it the same price as Kenny Hill’s website? Mine was a 640, but my hand size is about the same as yours. I was wondering about the 628 as I couldn’t really tell much difference between the 640 and my 650. If I get one, I won’t be able to try first as nobody in my area has them.

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Re: Decent quality short-scale production CG's

Post by AdamRoth » Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:19 am

I’ve been keeping my eye out for guitars like these for one of my students who is ready to get something bigger, but not full size. Córdoba makes one that’s around 280 bucks new, it’s 630 mm. That’s probably decent, if you’re just looking for a factory guitar that’s cheap.

If you’re looking for something nicer, I’d go Kenny Hill before the Córdoba C9 Parlor. Particularly if you could find a Player used.

There’s also a really interesting one by Matsuoka on Reverb, that’s in bad shape cosmetically but all-solid, pretty cheap and signed. $400, 628mm. Probably a tremendous value if the repaired cracks don’t scare you away.
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Re: Decent quality short-scale production CG's

Post by BethFR » Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:17 pm

AdamRoth wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:19 am
I’ve been keeping my eye out for guitars like these for one of my students who is ready to get something bigger, but not full size. Córdoba makes one that’s around 280 bucks new, it’s 630 mm. That’s probably decent, if you’re just looking for a factory guitar that’s cheap.

If you’re looking for something nicer, I’d go Kenny Hill before the Córdoba C9 Parlor. Particularly if you could find a Player used.

There’s also a really interesting one by Matsuoka on Reverb, that’s in bad shape cosmetically but all-solid, pretty cheap and signed. $400, 628mm. Probably a tremendous value if the repaired cracks don’t scare you away.
Just an FYI, I tried one of those inexpensive Cordoba's (Dolce model), and the one I got did not intonate properly, and the fret work was pretty bad.

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Re: Decent quality short-scale production CG's

Post by BethFR » Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:40 pm

AdamRoth wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:19 am
I’ve been keeping my eye out for guitars like these for one of my students who is ready to get something bigger, but not full size. Córdoba makes one that’s around 280 bucks new, it’s 630 mm. That’s probably decent, if you’re just looking for a factory guitar that’s cheap.

If you’re looking for something nicer, I’d go Kenny Hill before the Córdoba C9 Parlor. Particularly if you could find a Player used.

There’s also a really interesting one by Matsuoka on Reverb, that’s in bad shape cosmetically but all-solid, pretty cheap and signed. $400, 628mm. Probably a tremendous value if the repaired cracks don’t scare you away.
Should the cracks scare me away? (also I was looking for cedar, as I've got plenty of spruce guitars already.) But I'm really intrigued.

I like the Hill Players, but they are twice as expensive as the C9 parlors, not manageable for me right now.

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Re: Decent quality short-scale production CG's

Post by Larry » Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:33 pm

FYI, I'll mention Pavan Guitars as having a model that's shorter scale (640mm) and is comparable in price to Kenny HIll New World Player's series. I haven't played one, so I can't comment on quality or value, but thought I might add it to the list for others to consider.

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Re: Decent quality short-scale production CG's

Post by BethFR » Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:27 pm

Is Tom Prisloe still around? I remember he kind of disappeared a few years back. I'm not sure Pavans come in 630.

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