Cordoba C12? or Keep My C9?

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Re: Cordoba C12? or Keep My C9?

Post by rsclosson » Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:19 pm

Well, to add to the confusion, I just got a line on a LoPrinzi Grand Concert for just over $900. It's a long scale (664) but its in great shape. I have played many Augies and they were all great! Not sure about the scale length but pretty sure this is a great value.

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Re: Cordoba C12? or Keep My C9?

Post by rsclosson » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:10 pm

Well I was able to try the C12 side by side with my C9. It was a little bit louder than my guitar and had a fast response. Aside from that, my guitar ultimately won out. Richer and darker tone and nicer trebles. As predicted here, the difference was not worth spending the extra money.

Now the LoPrinzi may be another story. I have played many of Augie's guitars and never found one that wasn't outstanding. Even the entry level models with the laminate sides and back were very nice. The Grand Concert is cedar and has a long scale. It might be worth a try.

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Re: Cordoba C12? or Keep My C9?

Post by nmshu1 » Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:43 am

rsclosson wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:10 pm
Well I was able to try the C12 side by side with my C9. It was a little bit louder than my guitar and had a fast response. Aside from that, my guitar ultimately won out. Richer and darker tone and nicer trebles. As predicted here, the difference was not worth spending the extra money.

Now the LoPrinzi may be another story. I have played many of Augie's guitars and never found one that wasn't outstanding. Even the entry level models with the laminate sides and back were very nice. The Grand Concert is cedar and has a long scale. It might be worth a try.
I think Córdoba C9 is good enough for you at home. If you want to be professional player, you need better guitars with better projection.
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Re: Cordoba C12? or Keep My C9?

Post by souldier » Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:25 am

rsclosson wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:10 pm
Now the LoPrinzi may be another story. I have played many of Augie's guitars and never found one that wasn't outstanding. Even the entry level models with the laminate sides and back were very nice. The Grand Concert is cedar and has a long scale. It might be worth a try.
Only way to find out is to try it side by side with your C9, putting aside your biases. Let us know how it goes.
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Re: Cordoba C12? or Keep My C9?

Post by sleeper2 » Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:17 pm

I have the c12 and you will not be disappointed with it. It is as loud as several handmade luthier guitars. The strings seem balanced. The quality seems great. I have only had it for a short while so I can't speak to long term problems.

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Re: Cordoba C12? or Keep My C9?

Post by rsclosson » Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:19 pm

souldier wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:25 am
rsclosson wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:10 pm
Now the LoPrinzi may be another story. I have played many of Augie's guitars and never found one that wasn't outstanding. Even the entry level models with the laminate sides and back were very nice. The Grand Concert is cedar and has a long scale. It might be worth a try.
Only way to find out is to try it side by side with your C9, putting aside your biases. Let us know how it goes.
I discovered that there are many biases on this site. I will listen try and figure things out. A $3500 LoPrinzi for $900 and with my previous experiences with Augie’s guitars is a bias based on experience.

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Re: Cordoba C12? or Keep My C9?

Post by rsclosson » Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:24 pm

nmshu1 wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:43 am
rsclosson wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:10 pm
Well I was able to try the C12 side by side with my C9. It was a little bit louder than my guitar and had a fast response. Aside from that, my guitar ultimately won out. Richer and darker tone and nicer trebles. As predicted here, the difference was not worth spending the extra money.

Now the LoPrinzi may be another story. I have played many of Augie's guitars and never found one that wasn't outstanding. Even the entry level models with the laminate sides and back were very nice. The Grand Concert is cedar and has a long scale. It might be worth a try.
I think Córdoba C9 is good enough for you at home. If you want to be professional player, you need better guitars with better projection.
Not sure how many C9s you have played, but mine has surprisingly good projection hand has amazed many guitarists at FSU. They have commented very favorably on the tone and the volume.
Oh and I have played professionally for many years.

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Re: Cordoba C12? or Keep My C9?

Post by MessyTendon » Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:10 pm

Keep it! or go for the LoPrinzi...lighter built...more pop!

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Re: Cordoba C12? or Keep My C9?

Post by nmshu1 » Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:57 am

rsclosson wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:24 pm
nmshu1 wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:43 am
rsclosson wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:10 pm
Well I was able to try the C12 side by side with my C9. It was a little bit louder than my guitar and had a fast response. Aside from that, my guitar ultimately won out. Richer and darker tone and nicer trebles. As predicted here, the difference was not worth spending the extra money.

Now the LoPrinzi may be another story. I have played many of Augie's guitars and never found one that wasn't outstanding. Even the entry level models with the laminate sides and back were very nice. The Grand Concert is cedar and has a long scale. It might be worth a try.
I think Córdoba C9 is good enough for you at home. If you want to be professional player, you need better guitars with better projection.
Not sure how many C9s you have played, but mine has surprisingly good projection hand has amazed many guitarists at FSU. They have commented very favorably on the tone and the volume.
Oh and I have played professionally for many years.
"Better guitars with better projection" mean the guitar like Stenzer, Vowinkel, John Ray, G.V.Rubio...and Dammann, Smallman...

Please have a look "Professional Guitarist: Their Guitars":

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Re: Cordoba C12? or Keep My C9?

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Re: Cordoba C12? or Keep My C9?

Post by rsclosson » Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:23 am

Well the LoPrinzi came in today and it is everything I had hoped for. Still in the trial period, but it is a very powerful and rich sounding guitar. Strong basses and rich trebles without being muddy. Very Spanish sounding and delightful to play, even with the longer scale. The attack is very sweet and quick and I fill a large room very well.

If the dubious goal of ever reaching the level of fame and abilities of the "Professional Guitarists: Their Guitars" listed, I will be able to afford a Hauser or a Rubio concert. Until then, I think a guitar built by the highly respected Augustino LoPrinzi will do just fine.

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Re: Cordoba C12? or Keep My C9?

Post by hesson11 » Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:38 am

Augie knew what he was doing! Glad you like his guitar.
-Bob

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Re: Cordoba C12? or Keep My C9?

Post by Mollbarre » Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:50 am

Ramon wrote:
Then for $1000 you can get a new Yamaha GC22 - still better than the C12 and it's new besides, and even costs less.

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Just curious, what's wrong with the C12?
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Re: Cordoba C12? or Keep My C9?

Post by rsclosson » Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:55 pm

Mollbarre wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:50 am
Ramon wrote:
Then for $1000 you can get a new Yamaha GC22 - still better than the C12 and it's new besides, and even costs less.

Ramon
Just curious, what's wrong with the C12?
Nothing wrong with the C12. Just that the price wasn't justified by the small increase in volume. Now the LoPrinzi was a different story. While some minor dings and signs of wear, it is a first class guitar all the way. And, for some reason, it was less money than the C12. (Probably because of the scale length)

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Re: Cordoba C12? or Keep My C9?

Post by Mollbarre » Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:14 pm

Okay! I was just wondering - as I'm learning more guitars - in general. :)
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