Opinions Wanted- Ramirez 1a

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Re: Opinions Wanted- Ramirez 1a

Post by Laudiesdad69 » Tue Oct 24, 2017 8:56 pm

Played a 67 at my friend's shop some months back. It had a Leaf case, which didn't seal well. It was stored in a high humidity environment. The case interior was deteriorating, and the guitar had some nice green mold inside. The top was quite domed, and the action was quite high. Needless to say it wasn't for me. Didn't sound particularly good either. And the previous owner had drilled an off center hole in the side of the fingerboard, and put a diamond in the hole for a fret marker. The diamond wasn't even real. But he managed to sell it to a collector for 6 grand. It still had the Sherry Brenner Segovia model sticker inside.

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Re: Opinions Wanted- Ramirez 1a

Post by zavaletas » Sun Oct 29, 2017 12:39 am

You need to pay particular attention to string scale on the 1a Ramirez IIIs-- they made both a 664mm (which Segovia liked) with a high action, and a normal 650mm scale. I'd avoid the 664mm unless you have big, strong hands.
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Re: Opinions Wanted- Ramirez 1a

Post by John Stone » Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:48 pm

Gil_Wade wrote:
Wed Apr 30, 2008 3:47 pm
My teacher equates the older long-scale Ramirez's to a formula one race car ... it is a specialized instrument built for a specialized purpose. If you choose to drive it on the highway during your daily commute you will get hard-to-use steering, poor gas milage and few comforts. If you are in a race approaching 200 mph then you want the tight steering and the other stuff that is a detriment on the highway.

If you want a "pretty" guitar, don't get the Ramirez (Jose Ramirez III would send you to a furniture store).
I think the race car analogy is right on for the older 664mm Ramirez.

I also think the 1a is a lovely guitar. The orange color of the cedar models may not be to everyone's taste, but I find the rosettes and the headstock shape really tasteful and beautiful.
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Re: Opinions Wanted- Ramirez 1a

Post by Tom » Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:07 pm

John Stone wrote:
Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:48 pm
Gil_Wade wrote:
Wed Apr 30, 2008 3:47 pm
My teacher equates the older long-scale Ramirez's to a formula one race car ... it is a specialized instrument built for a specialized purpose. If you choose to drive it on the highway during your daily commute you will get hard-to-use steering, poor gas milage and few comforts. If you are in a race approaching 200 mph then you want the tight steering and the other stuff that is a detriment on the highway.

If you want a "pretty" guitar, don't get the Ramirez (Jose Ramirez III would send you to a furniture store).
I think the race car analogy is right on for the older 664mm Ramirez.

I also think the 1a is a lovely guitar. The orange color of the cedar models may not be to everyone's taste, but I find the rosettes and the headstock shape really tasteful and beautiful.
The race car analogy may not be right to apply here.... Because most of the race cars are also pretty car :lol:

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Re: Opinions Wanted- Ramirez 1a

Post by DaveLeeNC » Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:40 pm

Tom wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:07 pm
John Stone wrote:
Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:48 pm
Gil_Wade wrote:
Wed Apr 30, 2008 3:47 pm
My teacher equates the older long-scale Ramirez's to a formula one race car ... it is a specialized instrument built for a specialized purpose. If you choose to drive it on the highway during your daily commute you will get hard-to-use steering, poor gas milage and few comforts. If you are in a race approaching 200 mph then you want the tight steering and the other stuff that is a detriment on the highway.

If you want a "pretty" guitar, don't get the Ramirez (Jose Ramirez III would send you to a furniture store).
I think the race car analogy is right on for the older 664mm Ramirez.

I also think the 1a is a lovely guitar. The orange color of the cedar models may not be to everyone's taste, but I find the rosettes and the headstock shape really tasteful and beautiful.
The race car analogy may not be right to apply here.... Because most of the race cars are also pretty car :lol:
Maybe in Formula 1 land - but not Nascar :-)

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Re: Opinions Wanted- Ramirez 1a

Post by celestemcc » Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:16 pm

Love the analogy re F1 cars and the 1a! Owning one, I see I was just ultimately destined to drive a compact. (My current real car is a Mini Cooper. Hmmm.)
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Re: Opinions Wanted- Ramirez 1a

Post by fast eddie » Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:04 am

I bought one new in 1977 for $1,650. Wonderful guitar, that is (I believe) in class by itself. This past summer I passed it to my son. Initially I played it for 2 - 3 years at home after I bought it, then did not play for the next 40 years. So it's in new condition. Can't say I don't miss it. Now playing a Cordoba C10, which is a very nice guitar, but doesn't really compare to the Ramirez. Enjoy.
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