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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by rinneby » Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:05 am

tammle1e wrote:
Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:07 pm
Hi Matano fans,

I'm the owner of this 1974 Matano 500. This label is quite uncommon compared to what everyone's been posting. Does any of you own a Matano which has this same particular label. Wonder what the sound quality is like compared to the common label with the same class model. Mine has Jacaranda back and sides.
To me this looks like a fake-label. It would help if you post detailed pictures of the whole guitar, then we can tell if its real.

Kind regards
/Jon
1964 - Masaru Kono No.7
1971 - Marcelino Lopez Nieto
1976 - Hideo Ida
2017 - Karel Dedain
2017 - Tobias Braun

Feel free to ask me anything about Japanese classical guitars.

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by James A. Showalter » Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:07 am

tammle1e

This is a very good review of the instrument.

I've never heard that before about the neck reinforcement of the Matsuoka guitars. Perhaps someone with more knowledge of the matter could give us insight. I'd hate to have to saw a neck in half to find out.

James
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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by rinneby » Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:10 am

Petter wrote:
Wed Sep 12, 2018 6:02 pm
Add one more member to the vintage japanese fan club!

Just received my first real classical guitar which I got mostly thanks to this thread. Sniped a Sakazo Nakade no 2000 from 1976, the auction had pretty terrible pictures, it looked like it was in quite bad shape. I took the chance and got it very cheaply, only 58000 yen.

Got the package from buyee yesterday, and I couldn't be happier! It's in very good shape, structurally it's perfect. No loose braces och cracks or anything. Only minor blemishes, like remains of som tape previos owner used to mark fret 5,7 and 12..

Looks like it's finished with very thin nitrocellulose lacquer, which have a couple of minor marks but nothing through to the wood. Frets are protruding quite alot and are sharp, so I will need to get them filed off and polish the old frets. Otherwise the frets are fine, not worn at all.

Neck is very straight, action is 3,5 and 4,5 with plenty of saddle remaining. Will probably sand down the saddle 1 mm to get it down to 3 and 4 mm. Very easy to play though despite a little higher action than my old guitar, a yamaha C40. Thin and comfortable neck.

Top is spruce and back and sides are solid, most likely brazilian rosewood. Lovely pattern on the back, almost like a spine.

Bracing looks like Rodriguez except more parallel?

Sound is fantastic, very loud with a precision that my C40 could never muster. By comparison my C40 sounds like someone put a pillow in the soundhole hehe

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Wow, what a lovely find at a more than excellent price! Congratulations.

/jon
1964 - Masaru Kono No.7
1971 - Marcelino Lopez Nieto
1976 - Hideo Ida
2017 - Karel Dedain
2017 - Tobias Braun

Feel free to ask me anything about Japanese classical guitars.

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by Petter » Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:23 am

Tack Jon! :)

I was just about pull the trigger on the Rokutaro a2 from -62 on your site, but someone got it before I did hehe
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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by rinneby » Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:25 am

Petter wrote:
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Tack Jon! :)

I was just about pull the trigger on the Rokutaro a2 from -62 on your site, but someone got it before I did hehe
Someone sure did :) Where in Sweden do you live by the way?
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1976 - Hideo Ida
2017 - Karel Dedain
2017 - Tobias Braun

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by Petter » Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:43 am

Stockholm, Värmdö, out in the archipelago. Where do you live?
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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by tammle1e » Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:08 pm

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rinneby wrote:
Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:05 am
tammle1e wrote:
Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:07 pm
Hi Matano fans,

I'm the owner of this 1974 Matano 500. This label is quite uncommon compared to what everyone's been posting. Does any of you own a Matano which has this same particular label. Wonder what the sound quality is like compared to the common label with the same class model. Mine has Jacaranda back and sides.
To me this looks like a fake-label. It would help if you post detailed pictures of the whole guitar, then we can tell if its real.

Kind regards
/Jon
Hi Jon,

Here's a few more. I'd be so ****** if this is a fake one. Trusted the guy. It looks too nice to be a low class guitar though. Sound is nice too. I read somewhere on the internet that from 1974-'75 Matano has the label with only his name. Hope this is the one. Anyway what do you guys think?
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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by rinneby » Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:34 pm

tammle1e wrote:
Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:08 pm
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rinneby wrote:
Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:05 am
tammle1e wrote:
Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:07 pm
Hi Matano fans,

I'm the owner of this 1974 Matano 500. This label is quite uncommon compared to what everyone's been posting. Does any of you own a Matano which has this same particular label. Wonder what the sound quality is like compared to the common label with the same class model. Mine has Jacaranda back and sides.
To me this looks like a fake-label. It would help if you post detailed pictures of the whole guitar, then we can tell if its real.

Kind regards
/Jon
Hi Jon,

Here's a few more. I'd be so ****** if this is a fake one. Trusted the guy. It looks too nice to be a low class guitar though. Sound is nice too. I read somewhere on the internet that from 1974-'75 Matano has the label with only his name. Hope this is the one. Anyway what do you guys think?
You can relax, this is a real Matano for sure. Headstock, rosette, the little stripe on the heel among other things tells this. A top model at the time. Why the label is different, I'm not sure. It looks like a nice guitar. For this reason I would say it's good that the label is unusual, it makes the guitar more sought after.

/Jon
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1964 - Masaru Kono No.7
1971 - Marcelino Lopez Nieto
1976 - Hideo Ida
2017 - Karel Dedain
2017 - Tobias Braun

Feel free to ask me anything about Japanese classical guitars.

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by rinneby » Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:51 pm

Petter wrote:
Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:43 am
Stockholm, Värmdö, out in the archipelago. Where do you live?
Malmö, you are welcome to visit any time :)

/J
1964 - Masaru Kono No.7
1971 - Marcelino Lopez Nieto
1976 - Hideo Ida
2017 - Karel Dedain
2017 - Tobias Braun

Feel free to ask me anything about Japanese classical guitars.

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by tammle1e » Fri Sep 14, 2018 1:22 pm

rinneby wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 6:32 am
Carter53 wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:16 am
rinneby wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:56 pm

Guitars from Kohno and Sakurai as well as the Nakade, Imai and Nobe families are safe bets. Some Masaru Matano and Tamura/Matsuoka/Yairi guitars and early high-end Yamaha GC-series will without any doubt rise in value in the future too. How could they not? :) Others are harder to predict. Still, as we all know, there are hidden treasures out there, still to be found. Especially from the 60s and 70s.

By the way, have you played the "new" Tamura?

/Jon
I see by your signature that you have diversified with instruments with origins outside Japan. Obviously, you chose them for a reason. How do Kohnos, Sakamotos and other Japanese guitars match up?
I like to change my signature from time to time. The guitars shown are my current main guitars. I still love my Japanese guitars and play them from time to time: Rokutaro Nakade A2, Asturias C150S, Ryoji Matsuoka No.20 and the Aria AC-50, to name a few.

By the way. Today I will get back my Seizo Shinano No.83, with new frets. Haven't played it for 6 month. I remember I liked it back then :)

/Jon
Did you have the chance to check out the sound of your Shinano No.83. I'm curious of the sound characteristic. Could you give comparison to what other brand is the sound similar to?

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by tammle1e » Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:12 pm

Hi Cervantes fan,

I know some of you own Cervantes clase 500 or MC 500. I'm wondering what the MC stands for and what difference does it make compared to the regular class number. Someone offered to sell me clase L 600 as the picture shown below. I'm thinking the L stand for lady? Perhaps scale length or nut width is a little shorter/narrower? Does anyone have more insight on this?
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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by dandan » Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:48 pm

tammle1e wrote:
Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:12 pm
Hi Cervantes fan,

I know some of you own Cervantes clase 500 or MC 500. I'm wondering what the MC stands for and what difference does it make compared to the regular class number. Someone offered to sell me clase L 600 as the picture shown below. I'm thinking the L stand for lady? Perhaps scale length or nut width is a little shorter/narrower? Does anyone have more insight on this?
I think you are right. I would guess the scale length is 630mm and nut width 50mm.
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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by Jules Catbird » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:49 pm

On the Aria Flamenco above - nice find! I have a few of these old Aria flamenco made under supervision of Ryoji Matsuoka (RM stamp on heel also) and they play wonderfully.
I have used one with and RMC pickup on it for many many years and its is easy to play and very balanced. I love it.
Looks like you got a super low serial number.
Have fun.
As far as intonation, try thinner or different strings? A good luthier can probably help you.
JC

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by tammle1e » Sat Sep 15, 2018 4:51 am

My take on the La Esperanza,

La Esperanza is also a Matano's branch besides Cervantes although it's not as mainstream as the Matano label. These pictures below is a spruce top. The guitar gives decent volume especially the basses are cloud and clear but it still lacking that unique soulful and warm romantic sound that I'm looking for. The trebles offer somewhat more Spanish and different voice than other Japanese vintage guitars I've tried. The ceder version of this model fits my taste a little better since its sound is darker and deeper. However, to compare it to a Matano label, I don't think the La Esperanza's voice is that impressive although the Matano treble side seems a bit too bright and thin for my taste. Have you owned a La Esperanza before? What's your take on the sound compare to the Matanos and Cervantes. If I had to choose, I'd go for 1. Cervantes 2. Matano and then La Esperanza would be my last choice. Oddly enough, Cervantes market price is the cheapest among the three I've mentioned.
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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by chrisb » Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:22 am

chrisb wrote:
Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:49 am
chrisb wrote:
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hello,

does anybody know anything about this guitar?
a friend says, it seems to be a japanese classical guitar from the sixties???
sorry, i have no picture form the label inside!
i can only see "...MA".

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regards,
chris
hello,

now i have the label:
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does anybody know anything about this guitar or luthier?
hello again,

now i have the guitar.

the top is solid cedar
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at first i thought the body also. the grain on the outside is the same as in the inside. but a deeper look in the body shows no direct grain
but a winding. :(


here is a part of the bracing pattern (picture reflected)
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the voice is dark. good basses and middles. the discant is weak, because of the fat varnish?
chrisb

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