Luthier quiz nr. 1 - Guess who...

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Post by Michael.N. » Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:16 pm

It was a bit tricky. There was enough to throw one off course. Everyone associates Hauser I with either ladder braced or Torres inspired fan bracing. The Santos parallel bracing threw me. I knew that it was Santos, I just didn't know that Hauser had done it. The rest was typical N. European construction - the neck joint, the lack of rosette reinforcement and the solid linings.
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Post by Ramon Amira » Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:44 am

Esteban.

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Post by Stephen Faulk » Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:48 am

The part that is interesting is how Friederich later picked up on the girthy bar between sound hole and bridge.
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Post by tateharmann » Mon Dec 03, 2018 3:25 am

Ramon Amira wrote:
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Esteban.

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Post by David Schramm » Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:57 pm

Definitely not Spanish style. Looks like the adjustable neck so common among German and Austrian builders.
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Post by Brian McCombs » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:17 pm

Wondering what the circles are on the heel block and end block? Are those holes?

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Post by Michael.N. » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:39 pm

Bottom one is for an endpin - again so common on N.European guitars of that period and before. The one in the upper block must be a screw or dowel.
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Post by gjo » Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:36 pm

Congrats!

We are a little surprised that nobody mentioned Bouchet because of the profiled bar.

As Vesa already wrote this 1924 was one of the very first guitars Hauser I made in Summer 1924 under the impression of Segovia´s 1912 Manuel Ramirez/S.Hernández. Hauser seemed to have made a batch of at least three guitars that were presented during the famous meeting with Llobet and Segovia later that year in Munich. Segovia even played one of these guitars in a concert before that meeting. Segovia´s memory was not very precise about this point when he wrote "HH ... in memoriam" in 1954.

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Post by Tim Buckley » Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:41 pm

gjo wrote:
Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:36 pm
Congrats!

We are a little surprised that nobody mentioned Bouchet because of the profiled bar.
If I can take some credit for being wrong, I mentioned Bouchet/Marin, but noted the difference in position and angle.

This photo ties off a loose end that had puzzled me for a little while.

https://www.vintageguitar.com/3280/1967-robert-bouchet/

"Bouchet’s work is divided into two (sometimes three) periods of stylistic construction by most experts, and this instrument clearly falls into his final and most typically evolved period of design, having the five-fan-strut pattern with the central nodal bar located directly under the bridge saddle, and carefully fitted over the five fan struts. This device was most likely an original Bouchet innovation, although there is similarity to an obscure patent obtained by Hermann Hauser for a similar design concept."
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Post by Stephen Faulk » Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:49 am

I think Bouchet had a 19th century guitar with ladder braces and he synthesized the fans with the lateral brace himself.

Since Google didn't exist then it's not likely a guy in Paris knew much about an obscure patent in Germany. Not discouning Hauser's effort to register his intellectual property.

It looks more like parallel development, two or three people get the same idea working in separate regions because the engineering vernacular they are working with is so similar.
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Post by gjo » Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:11 am

Tim Buckley wrote:
Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:41 pm

...

If I can take some credit for being wrong, I mentioned Bouchet/Marin, but noted the difference in position and angle.

This photo ties off a loose end that had puzzled me for a little while.

https://www.vintageguitar.com/3280/1967-robert-bouchet/

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Sorry, I missed that :chaud:

The patent really is a little „obscure“ but nonetheless very interesting, showing how much Hauser knew about „spanish“ guitars in his pre-spanish period.

Although the patent for an improved bracing with only two „fans“ was applied for in 1920/21 the first variation dates back to 1914. The bracing we showed here is a combination of his „patent ideas“ and his impressions after having some sort of contact with Segovia‘s 1912 M. Ramírez. The Ramírez has 7 fanned struts. Hauser‘s interpretation included 7 more or less parallel struts. Why? ...

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Post by vesa » Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:04 am

gjo wrote:
The Ramírez has 7 fanned struts. Hauser‘s interpretation included 7 more or less parallel struts. Why? ...
Same orientation as in his earlier builds(patent system)??

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