Masuru Matano

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Paul
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Re: Masuru Matano

Post by Paul » Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:14 pm

mattpav wrote:I've got an Asturias AST50 with Masaru Matano is named as the Luthier... I believe the AST50 was only made for a few short years. I don't really play guitar and don't know what to do with this. Anyone know if it is worth selling? Or should I just give it to a local high school or something? I live in Florida. Any help is appreciated.
Hi Matt,

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Re: Masuru Matano

Post by Whooper » Fri Nov 05, 2010 12:49 am

Dear all,

I had my Masaru Matano A6 1967 repaired by a Japanese luthier Mr. Hiroyasu Asakura. I have tried to send a sick baby back to his birth place but Maestro Matano disappeared in early 80'. "Asturias' took his business down but no more ties now. So I searched and found the luthier Asakura in Web. He looks quite experienced in repairing not only classical but accoustic models. He also builds a small man type.

Against my optimistic view, my A6 was in a bit critical condition. Nut and saddle unstable. Heel loosened. Bracings terrible. After a heavy surgery, my vintage Matano recovered quite fine. Very clear sounds. I paid approx. US $750. You see his work in his web site.

http://translate.google.com/translate?h ... %26hl%3Den

Note: Google translator can't interpret Masaru Matano. Instead, it spewed "Osamu" Matano.

Best wishes :chitarrista:
Whooper

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Re: Masuru Matano

Post by bullpuppy » Fri Sep 02, 2016 1:48 pm

I am fortunite to have in my collection guitars from the several of the great Japanese luthiers. I am very impressed by Matano. I played 5 Matano clase 500 guitars from 1972 to 1978. They all were concert level instruments and on the same level as my 1975 kohno. The quality of construction and materials was excellent. I don't know the price of these guitars when new but I don't believe that model no was related to cost in yen like other builders. I'm looking for a clase 800 to compare. If you ever run across one it definitely a great choice.

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Re: Masuru Matano

Post by tammle1e » Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:19 am

bullpuppy wrote:
Fri Sep 02, 2016 1:48 pm
I am fortunite to have in my collection guitars from the several of the great Japanese luthiers. I am very impressed by Matano. I played 5 Matano clase 500 guitars from 1972 to 1978. They all were concert level instruments and on the same level as my 1975 kohno. The quality of construction and materials was excellent. I don't know the price of these guitars when new but I don't believe that model no was related to cost in yen like other builders. I'm looking for a clase 800 to compare. If you ever run across one it definitely a great choice.
Does any of your guitar has his signature on it and does its sound stands out from the others? I'm curious to find out. I have clase 500 1974 made in Fukuoka. How is the volume of your Matanos compared to your 1975 Kohno?

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Re: Masuru Matano

Post by tammle1e » Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:27 am

Whooper wrote:
Fri Nov 05, 2010 12:49 am
Dear all,

I had my Masaru Matano A6 1967 repaired by a Japanese luthier Mr. Hiroyasu Asakura. I have tried to send a sick baby back to his birth place but Maestro Matano disappeared in early 80'. "Asturias' took his business down but no more ties now. So I searched and found the luthier Asakura in Web. He looks quite experienced in repairing not only classical but accoustic models. He also builds a small man type.

Against my optimistic view, my A6 was in a bit critical condition. Nut and saddle unstable. Heel loosened. Bracings terrible. After a heavy surgery, my vintage Matano recovered quite fine. Very clear sounds. I paid approx. US $750. You see his work in his web site.

http://translate.google.com/translate?h ... %26hl%3Den

Note: Google translator can't interpret Masaru Matano. Instead, it spewed "Osamu" Matano.

Best wishes :chitarrista:
Whooper
Congrats on finding out a good luthier to repair your guitar. I have 2 guitars made by Matano that have problems with buzzing caused by fretting and and saddle height It's really hard to find a trustworthy luthier where I live to fix it. How is the sound of the Matano A6 different from Matano's guitars made in the 70s?

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Re: Masuru Matano

Post by GMK » Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:39 am

Hello,
I have some general questions about Masuru Matano Classical guitars.
In the early 60's until maybe 1968 Mutano had Meiko A5, A6, A7 A8 series.
Anyone know the difference between these models besides cost? different tonewoods? different bracing? more ornamental ?
Then I think in 1969 and early 70's still under the Meiko line the numbers changed from A# to Clase #00.
So is a A8 the same as a Clase800 ?
Finally what is a 1970 Classe 400 in Good Condition worth? and what is a 1968 A7 in mint condition worth?
Thanks in advance,
Kevin

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Re: Masuru Matano

Post by dandan » Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:44 am

In general, the early guitars are better. Most Matano guitars have some form of Ramirez style bracing. The tone wood's vary from maple, Indian rosewood and Brazilian. Meiko guitars usually had spruce tops, later guitars had cedar mostly. Keep in mind a 1968 A8 should be a better guitar than a 1978 800, due to rapid inflation at the time. Meiko guitars signed by the luthier were handmade by him rather than later guitars made in his gakki. Logically Meiko guitars should be more valuable, as they are rarer and generally better. However, they are less well known. Matano guitars in general, aren't that valuable, simply because there's so many on the used market. Not many go for over £1000, but there is a range depending on woods, model and condition, of £500-1000. I would guess the 1970 400 would be worth £500-700. Does the A7 have BRW? If so maybe £800-1000, maybe more in really good condition. If its Indian, a bit less, maybe 600-800.
1966 Sakazo Nakade D
1969 Rokutaro Nakade A9
1977 Aria AG80 (Masaru Takeiri)
1997 Hiroumi Yamaguchi A-I

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Re: Masuru Matano

Post by GMK » Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:28 pm

Thanks Dandan for your reply,
The 1968 A7 has the Meiko name with the
M. Matano signed.
He bought it from Brazil 50 years ago.
He thinks it is Rosewood back, sides, and top but not sure if it is Indian or Brazilian ? I doubt the
top is Rosewood? Based on the color if the top from the pictures it looks like Cedar over Spruce. Plus I was under the impression talking to people that most of the early Meikos were Cedar not Spruce like you indicated ?
I also heard that the early Meikos that had the A# designation had a different bracing and tone
compared to the Ramirez style bracing when he
went to the Meiko Classe #00 models ? Does snyone know if that’s true ?
Also how can I verify if the sides back are Brazilian or Indian RW ?
i would have also expected the 1968 A7 to be twice the cost of a 1970 Classe 400 ? Assuming they were both RW and same condition ? For three reasons the 68 vs 70, A7 vs 400, and the rarity of the A7. Of course if there is a dufference in bracing naybe that would devalue the A7 compared to the Ranirez style vracing of the Class #00 series ?
I’ve seen quite a few good condition 1970 Classe 400 with RW b/s selling for $800-1500 US dollars. So your estimate was spot on. On the other hand I have only seen two 1968 A7s in good condition with RW b/s for sale and they were asking $1800 ? Quite a bit more than your estimate ? Thanks again for your response. Looking forward to other members also chiming in.

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Re: Masuru Matano

Post by dandan » Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:55 pm

My only hands on experience with Meiko guitars was a 1968 A5, which had spruce top, maple b&s and Ramirez bracing, although its possible he also used cedar tops at that time. Someone maybe asking $1800 for an A7, but doesn't mean they actually got it. The longer scale length may also impact on price. In general, straight grain rosewood is usually Indian, whereas the more figured stuff is often brw. It may well be the A7 is twice the guitar, but that is not always reflected in monetary value, as there is a ceiling on these vintage Japanese guitars, due to the nature of the second hand market. I've seen A7's go for as little as $750.
1966 Sakazo Nakade D
1969 Rokutaro Nakade A9
1977 Aria AG80 (Masaru Takeiri)
1997 Hiroumi Yamaguchi A-I

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Re: Masuru Matano

Post by GMK » Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:22 pm

dandan thanks,
what you’re saying makes sense. So since same maker and same Ramirez brazing, do
you believe that a 68 A8 would be the exact same guitar as a 69 Classe 800 assumimg the same tonewoods? If so, this would mean it was just a model name change from A# to Classe#00 ?
Did they have different scale lengths ?

Thanka,
Kevin

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Re: Masuru Matano

Post by dandan » Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:32 pm

I would imagine they would be very similar. Should be same scale length, later guitars tend to be shorter. I think Meiko guitars had 658mm scale. Early 70s Matano guitars had 655mm scale and late 70s ones 650mm.
1966 Sakazo Nakade D
1969 Rokutaro Nakade A9
1977 Aria AG80 (Masaru Takeiri)
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Re: Masuru Matano

Post by GMK » Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:40 am

Dandan hello,
Any ideas what you get going from an A7 to an A8 late 60's Matano.
I think but I am not too sure - the a5 = maple back and sides, the a6=Indian rw back and sides, the a7 Braz rw back and side, the A8 ?

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Re: Masuru Matano

Post by dandan » Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:24 am

GMK wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:40 am
Dandan hello,
Any ideas what you get going from an A7 to an A8 late 60's Matano.
I think but I am not too sure - the a5 = maple back and sides, the a6=Indian rw back and sides, the a7 Braz rw back and side, the A8 ?
I'm not sure. I'm not even sure if the a7 is brw or not. Maybe only the a8 is. Could be a5 maple, a6 lam irw, a7 solid irw, a8 solid brw. Or maybe a5 maple, a6 irw, a7 lam brw and a8 solid brw. Just guessing.
1966 Sakazo Nakade D
1969 Rokutaro Nakade A9
1977 Aria AG80 (Masaru Takeiri)
1997 Hiroumi Yamaguchi A-I

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Re: Masuru Matano

Post by GMK » Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:08 am

Hello dandan,
then things changed when he goes to the Classe line. I just bought a 1970 Classe 400 Meiko Matano that has IRW lam b/s.
then what is aClasse 500? I am guessing solid IRW b/s for the Classe 500 built in 1970 ? 600 lam RW b/s ?, then I believe he skips Classe 700, Classe 800 has Solid RW b/s/ with Cedar, and 1000 has Solid RW b/s/ with Spruce, ?
I know as years go by their is inflation of the yen quality for each of the classe levels go down. For example a Classe 400 in 1970 = a Classe 800 in 1982.
Does that mean in 1982 he did not have a solid RW b/s option ?
You have any perspective on different trim levels when he went from A# in the late 60's to Classe #00 ?
Thanks

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Re: Masuru Matano

Post by dandan » Tue Jan 15, 2019 3:49 pm

To be honest, I'm not sure of the specifics of every model of every era. There comes a point at which you just have to judge each guitar on its merits. I suppose some models could have identical specs but different quality materials. It's not always easy to be sure at which point in the line laminates become solid woods. Often double plate BRW (high quality laminates) are higher in the line than solid IRW.
1966 Sakazo Nakade D
1969 Rokutaro Nakade A9
1977 Aria AG80 (Masaru Takeiri)
1997 Hiroumi Yamaguchi A-I

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