We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by KenO » Sat Nov 03, 2018 3:06 am

Stephen Faulk wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:04 am
The ones dyed dark are 'nanchatte' rosewood - A joke. Nanchatte means fake or faux
Nanchatte! :lol:
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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by rinneby » Sat Nov 03, 2018 7:30 am

Nixonisnow wrote:
Wed Oct 31, 2018 4:01 pm
Sorry to bother again..

Since I received word that the Izumo guitars were meh and unknown for the most part I returned 1 (kept 2) and tried finding a more suitable guitar with different/special specs and I came across this rarity... Can't find anything on the web but I do assume 50th Anniversary means 1983 and I assume a jumbo sized body?

Any help on the wood or value for this one with be very appreciated as always. :-*

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Hard to tell value by just looking at those pictures. Probably solid spruce top and laminated Indian rosewood back and sides. 200-300 Euro maybe? Probably not more, from the looks of it. The Zen-On factory, with Toshihiko Tokugawa as master luthier if I'm not misstaken, produced many student guitars and some mid-range guitars in the 70/80s, also under different labels like "Abe" for example. I would personally not have too high hopes for this one. But who know, maybe its a hidden gem ;)

/Jon
1963 - José Ramirez (A.M, Antonio Martinez)
1964 - Masaru Kohno No.7 (Kono)
1989 - Antonio Marin Montero (Bouchet)
2017 - Tobias Braun (Santos Hernández, 1924)

Feel free to ask me anything about Japanese classical guitars.

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by Stephen Faulk » Sat Nov 03, 2018 7:46 am

KenO wrote:
Sat Nov 03, 2018 3:06 am
Stephen Faulk wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:04 am
The ones dyed dark are 'nanchatte' rosewood - A joke. Nanchatte means fake or faux
Nanchatte! :lol:
I get a good one off every once in awhile, but cross cultural humor is a tough market.

Oh I see you just bought another Japanese classical guitar for your collection. What kind of wood are the back and sides?

Dalbergia Nanchattensis
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Post by madrilla » Sat Nov 03, 2018 12:15 pm

aka pseudodalbergia acerflamusincognitus

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by rinneby » Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:23 pm

Here's my latest purchase. A Hideo Ida C-20 from 1976. I believe it was the top model at the time, but could be wrong. I know for a fact there was a C-30 in 1977. Anyway. I'm pretty excited about this one since I've always wanted to try an Ida and never got the chance. They are quite rare outside of Japan. Hideo Ida was an apprentice of Sakazo Nakade and also worked with/learned from Hernández y Aguado. He's is still an active luthier: http://www.idaguitar.jp. The guitar will hopefully be in Sweden within 2-3 weeks.

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All the best from Sweden
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1963 - José Ramirez (A.M, Antonio Martinez)
1964 - Masaru Kohno No.7 (Kono)
1989 - Antonio Marin Montero (Bouchet)
2017 - Tobias Braun (Santos Hernández, 1924)

Feel free to ask me anything about Japanese classical guitars.

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by KenO » Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:44 pm

Stephen Faulk wrote:
Sat Nov 03, 2018 7:46 am
I get a good one off every once in awhile, but cross cultural humor is a tough market.

Oh I see you just bought another Japanese classical guitar for your collection. What kind of wood are the back and sides?

Dalbergia Nanchattensis
LOL! Of course, I utilize only the finest Master Grade Nanchatte in all of my builds!

...and beautiful new acquisition rinneby-san. Please post video when the instrument arrives!
'06 Asturias Prelude S; '02 Yamaha CG101; '00 Ovation CS249-4Y; '68 S. Nogami Concert Tenor; '67 Hashimoto No. 232; '?? Mystery Guitar

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by rinneby » Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:48 pm

KenO wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:44 pm
...and beautiful new acquisition rinneby-san. Please post video when the instrument arrives!
:merci: Will do :)
1963 - José Ramirez (A.M, Antonio Martinez)
1964 - Masaru Kohno No.7 (Kono)
1989 - Antonio Marin Montero (Bouchet)
2017 - Tobias Braun (Santos Hernández, 1924)

Feel free to ask me anything about Japanese classical guitars.

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by TKT » Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:42 pm

Thanks Eno, that was my best guess as to the probable situation. I would love an older Nakade but feel I need to stick to the USA, which limits prospects.

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by William Byrd » Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:59 am

Anyone have any information on the Japanese luthier Kimiyoshi Noda? There doesn’t seem to be much information about him that I can find. It looks as if he builds very high quality instruments.
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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by soltirefa » Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:31 am

Anyone have any information on the Japanese luthier Kimiyoshi Noda?
I ain't got nada on Noda. :lol:

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by William Byrd » Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:34 am

soltirefa wrote:
Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:31 am
Anyone have any information on the Japanese luthier Kimiyoshi Noda?
I ain't got nada on Noda. :lol:
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Post by dandan » Sun Nov 11, 2018 12:10 pm

Here's a few pics of my latest acquisition. It's a 1997 Hiroumi Yamaguchi A-I. I've been looking for a Ramirez style cedar top for a while and I think this might be the one. It's very similar to the Yamaguchi SS I had a while ago, courtesy of the OP, Jon Rinneby, except it has a slightly softer, warmer tone and is slightly easier to play.
P.S. It's not as red as it looks in the pics.
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Post by rinneby » Sun Nov 11, 2018 12:37 pm

dandan wrote:
Sun Nov 11, 2018 12:10 pm
Here's a few pics of my latest acquisition. It's a 1997 Hiroumi Yamaguchi A-I. I've been looking for a Ramirez style cedar top for a while and I think this might be the one. It's very similar to the Yamaguchi SS I had a while ago, courtesy of the OP, Jon Rinneby, except it has a slightly softer, warmer tone and is slightly easier to play.
P.S. It's not as red as it looks in the pics.
Nice one Dandan! I remember that guitar you are talking about, it had a pretty "clear and somewhat cold tone" - yet great sustain. Maybe it lacked a little personality so to speak :)

/Jon
1963 - José Ramirez (A.M, Antonio Martinez)
1964 - Masaru Kohno No.7 (Kono)
1989 - Antonio Marin Montero (Bouchet)
2017 - Tobias Braun (Santos Hernández, 1924)

Feel free to ask me anything about Japanese classical guitars.

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by dmax745 » Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:34 pm

rinneby wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:06 am
Here's a short sound clip of the Ryoji Matsuoka No.20, recorded this morning. No equalization, just a tiny bit of reverb, La Bella 2001 Medium tension strings:

http://jon.rinneby.se/gitarr/gitarr_matsuoka.mp3

All the best from Sweden

/Jon
Nice soundclip! That sounds like a great guitar. Does the No. 20 have solid back and sides?

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by James A. Showalter » Sat Nov 17, 2018 5:29 pm

That's a nice sound clip Jon.

I like the Ryoji guitars and would welcome a No. 20 in my collection.

Thanks for sharing it.
James
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