We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by Bryan Pannell » Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:18 am

rinneby wrote:
Fri Feb 01, 2019 11:39 pm
Bryan Pannell wrote:
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rinneby wrote:
Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:36 am


What do you want to know? I'm afraid It's impossible to tell without any pictures.

Kind regards from Sweden
/Jon
Well, looking at the headstock and back of the guitar, it sure looks like an early Kohno, before 1963. What makes you think its a "prototype"? Kohno guitars from this era are traditional Spanish, fan braced guitars. They are usually very good. I played a 1963 that I did not like though, but a few 1964 and 65 that where great.

The tuners are obviously replaced and someone liked the guitar very much, its been played a lot, that is usually a good sign :)

/Jon
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Post by Bryan Pannell » Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:20 am

Have to resize pic of neck block . Has a number
On it 41-123 . And a hand written name khono and date 1966 .
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Post by Bryan Pannell » Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:30 am

Have submitted pics to Kohno factory to try and help identify .
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Post by Bryan Pannell » Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:34 am

7 fan bracing , with a bridge plate the same dimensions as the fans.

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Post by rinneby » Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:09 am

It's "model 41-123" - Kono didn't use the numbering system until 1963/64. It looks like a high class instrument, great find.

/Jon
1964 - Masaru Kohno No.7
1999 - Lorenzo Frignani
2017 - Tobias Braun

Feel free to ask me anything about Japanese classical guitars.

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Post by Bryan Pannell » Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:00 pm

Just got a response from the Kohno factory from M Sakurai
stating that Kohno kept no records from that era , and they Would not be able to offer any help identifying this guitar .

Personally , I think I think it’s a Kohno replica of a 1941 Hermann Hauser .

Any thoughts ? Anyone ?

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by Beowulf » Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:59 pm

What are the body dimensions: upper bout, waist, lower bout and length (mms will be easiest to compare)?
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Post by rinneby » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:02 pm

Bryan Pannell wrote:
Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:00 pm
Just got a response from the Kohno factory from M Sakurai
stating that Kohno kept no records from that era , and they Would not be able to offer any help identifying this guitar .

Personally , I think I think it’s a Kohno replica of a 1941 Hermann Hauser .

Any thoughts ? Anyone ?
What makes you think it's modelled after a 1941 Hauser?
1964 - Masaru Kohno No.7
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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by tonechaser » Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:10 pm

The headstock is similar to but not quite matching Kono's early 60's headstocks. The one's I've seen (including my own) are either Hauser/Torres shaped or Fleta shaped. The double-humped shoulders of the headstock don't match any Kono/Kohno I've seen. Also, the bracing seems to be parallel rather than fan which wouldn't match early 60's builds. I know Kohno used various bracing patterns at various phases of his career so this isn't necessarily dispositive. Regarding the handwritten part, "Khono" is misspelled but that could be due to second-language issues but it's certainly not a 1966 considering all the other factors. I'm enjoying the mystery here.
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Post by Bryan Pannell » Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:13 pm

The headstock looks like a Hauser.

the code in the neck plate starts with 41.

7 fan pattern & it’s super light . About the same weight as my 74 Ramirez 1a flamenco .

That’s it .

Have learned from another source that it’s not a Kohno after all . All Kohno were made using kerfed linings , not ribbon ones . Plus can’t match the rosette pattern to anything else.

So who know what it is . But it’s not a Kohno .

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Post by rinneby » Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:21 pm

Here's what my Kono -64 looks like. So yeah, quite different actually when looking more closely.

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Post by Bryan Pannell » Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:00 pm

The only distinct part left to identify is the bottom cut on the back of the headstock . Anyone see this before ?
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Post by Bryan Pannell » Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:55 pm

Beowulf wrote:
Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:59 pm
What are the body dimensions: upper bout, waist, lower bout and length (mms will be easiest to compare)?
11 1/4 inches or 28.575 cm top bout

9 1/2 Or 23.495 cm. Waist

14 1/4 or 36.195 cm. Lower bout.

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by Beowulf » Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:28 pm

Bryan Pannell wrote:
Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:55 pm
Beowulf wrote:
Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:59 pm
What are the body dimensions: upper bout, waist, lower bout and length (mms will be easiest to compare)?
11 1/4 inches or 28.575 cm top bout

9 1/2 Or 23.495 cm. Waist

14 1/4 or 36.195 cm. Lower bout.
So here are a few Hauser I & II dimensions (in mm) for comparison:

Top Wst Low
286 235 362 (Your guitar)
266 228 357 (1932 Hauser I)
280 238 367 (1934 Hauser I)
267 227 354 (1935 Hauser I)
271 230 357 (1936? Hauser I)
279 233 370 (Segovia's 1937 Hauser I)
266 225 352 (1949 Hauser I)
285 241 369 (1962 Hauser II)

I'm not sure that your guitar was modeled after a Hauser as far as dimensions go, however it may be similar.

How about a picture to show the body shape?
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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by Bryan Pannell » Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:40 pm

Will try and get some good pics of the bracing later.

It is a mystery ....
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