We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

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rotr
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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by rotr » Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:28 pm

Finally, the diamond of my collection. My latest acquisition. Sakazo Nakade 3000sss 1972. I think it is the most expensive instrument in Japan of that time. 300,000 yen in 1972 adjusted for inflation in 2019 is 893,000 yen. Only Kohno Maestro could have competed at the time. In fact, I dreamed of acquiring Toshihiko 2000 of early 70s and still dream. But Sakazo, perhaps even the better instrument, more expensive at the time and dear to me until now. The guitar was in good condition, albeit with repairs to several cracks in the back and a crack in the top near the fingerboard. The repair was neat. The price was adequate, although of course this instrument is the most expensive of all that I had. Kohno Maestro will cost several times more. But I think the guitar level is comparable. In general, my credit card was devastated. It is also interesting that the intermediary suddenly had problems with the export of guitars from Japan, because of changes in legislation. So I had to look for another and nervous, while the guitar was in warehouses for more than a month. But as soon as another mediator was found, they made all documents and after 5 days I had guitar throught EMC. Guitar is very similar to the 1200 model, but 3000 is richer made, with a carved head and ornaments, the side braces were added. The same array of brazilian rosewood and the spruce array is delightful in structure. Wood smells very nice, almost like perfume. Looks like all expensive instruments in good condition smells good. As for the sound, it is also similar in character to the 1200, except that the sound is even more sparkling, even more sustain, deep, intelligibility. In general, this is the best guitar of all that I had. I would like also to take for the collection Toshihiko 2000, Rokutaro A12, Tamura P150, Chai 30, Matsuoka No150... if I win a million in the lottery, then Kohno Maestro ... and Paulino Bernabe) It’s not a fact that they will be better than Sakazo 3000 in terms of sound, but the collectible value is definitely great.
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Sakano Nakade 3000sss 1972
Sakazo Nakade 1200Y 1969
Ryoji Matsuoka MG-100 1975

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by rotr » Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:32 pm

And kind of offtop, but may be interesting to someone, the dreadnought Matsuoka 80 1974. I bought it cheap enough as a non-working one, in poor condition and gave it to the master for repair. Brazilian or madagascar (?) rosewood laminate body with maple insert, solid spruce top with beautiful texture. So far, even more expensive instruments from the full array have not been able to surpass it in sound, and even dorestayling Matsuoka 80. Perhaps, the instrument simply dried out successfully. My dream is to purchase a dreadnought matsuoka 150 or 200 from solid brazilian rosewood. But dreadnoughts are basically more expensive than classics. I am already waste big amount of money.
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Sakano Nakade 3000sss 1972
Sakazo Nakade 1200Y 1969
Ryoji Matsuoka MG-100 1975

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Post by madrilla » Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:07 am

^Thanks for sharing rotr. You did well to get all that brazilian rosewood through.

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Post by rinneby » Mon Feb 25, 2019 3:43 am

rotr wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:28 pm
Finally, the diamond of my collection. My latest acquisition. Sakazo Nakade 3000sss 1972...
That's a really nice one. A high-end guitar for sure and a truly great find!

/Jon
1964 - Masaru Kohno
1989 - Antonio Marin Montero
2017 - Pete Beer
2017 - Tobias Braun

Feel free to ask me anything about Japanese classical guitars.

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by chrisb » Fri Mar 01, 2019 3:57 pm

Hello,

about 20 years ago i had a guitarteacher who owned two GC71. Great guitars, but i cant't remember the sound.

Has anybody a very good soundexample., please.
I would like to remember.
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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by Beowulf » Fri Mar 01, 2019 5:18 pm

chrisb wrote:
Fri Mar 01, 2019 3:57 pm
Hello,

about 20 years ago i had a guitarteacher who owned two GC71. Great guitars, but i cant't remember the sound.

Has anybody a very good soundexample., please.
I would like to remember.
You could try this thread for examples of the sound of GC82S (the latest iteration of the GC71) and Julian had one: viewtopic.php?f=107&t=108170&p=1204227& ... 1#p1204227
1971 Yamaha GC-10 (Hideyuki Ezaki)
2017 Yamaha GC82S (Akio Naniki/Naohiro Kawashima)

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Post by chrisb » Fri Mar 01, 2019 6:08 pm

Ah, thank you beowulf!
Have the gc82s the same bracing as the gc71.
Ok, maybe the other thread had discussed this.
I will read it.
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Post by Beowulf » Fri Mar 01, 2019 7:46 pm

chrisb wrote:
Fri Mar 01, 2019 6:08 pm
Ah, thank you beowulf!
Have the gc82s the same bracing as the gc71.
Ok, maybe the other thread had discussed this.
I will read it.
I am not certain...but I suspect yes. Julian may be able to provide confirmation.
1971 Yamaha GC-10 (Hideyuki Ezaki)
2017 Yamaha GC82S (Akio Naniki/Naohiro Kawashima)

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by rotr » Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:59 am

Sakazo Nakade №5000 1976 for sale on yahoo now. I would try to bid, if I don't have my 3000 1972.
https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/b377391819
Sakano Nakade 3000sss 1972
Sakazo Nakade 1200Y 1969
Ryoji Matsuoka MG-100 1975

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by singlechange » Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:11 pm

The Sakazo Nakade No. 5000 year 1976 on Yahoo Auction site seems enticing. A good luthier in U.S.A. repair for damages on soundboard, back and fretboard as pictured and other issues common for neglected vintage guitars in this type of condition (new fret wires, refinish over cracks) could cost well over $1,000 and perhaps take many months if done professionally. To retain the original sound of the top would be the top priority.

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Post by rinneby » Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:29 pm

singlechange wrote:
Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:11 pm
The Sakazo Nakade No. 5000 year 1976 on Yahoo Auction site seems enticing. A good luthier in U.S.A. repair for damages on soundboard, back and fretboard as pictured and other issues common for neglected vintage guitars in this type of condition (new fret wires, refinish over cracks) could cost well over $1,000 and perhaps take many months if done professionally. To retain the original sound of the top would be the top priority.
I would say the repair work is pretty standard and will certainly not cost 1000 dollars :) With that said, the guitar seems to be in fairly good condition. My guess is that it will go for between 100.000 and 150.000 Yen.

/Jon
1964 - Masaru Kohno
1989 - Antonio Marin Montero
2017 - Pete Beer
2017 - Tobias Braun

Feel free to ask me anything about Japanese classical guitars.

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by rotr » Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:17 pm

I've got mine Sakazo 3000 1972 for 150000, and agree that 5000 will go for the same price. Condition is nice I think. A pair of cracks on the back and on the fretboard. It seems to me, lacquer crack on the top, not plate. We'll see how much it goes)
Sakano Nakade 3000sss 1972
Sakazo Nakade 1200Y 1969
Ryoji Matsuoka MG-100 1975

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by Petter » Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:08 pm

Well, I got my Sakazo no. 2000 for 58000 yen and without any cracks at all and a better looking brazilian rw back than that no 5000, so anything can happen :)
1961 Masaru Kono No. 519
1962 Rokutaro Nakade A4
1965 Masaru Kohno No. 4
1969 Masaru Kohno No. 7
1975 Ryoji Matsuoka No. 50
1976 Sakazo Nakade No. 2000

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by madrilla » Sat Mar 09, 2019 5:27 pm

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by madrilla » Sat Mar 09, 2019 5:28 pm

Can anyone identify this guitar? There is no inner label.

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