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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by dandan » Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:54 pm

madrilla wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 5:28 pm
Can anyone identify this guitar? There is no inner label.

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Looks like my Sakazo Nakade model d, or at least the rosettw is similar, as is the headstock. Tie block looks different though. What are the tuners like?
1966 Sakazo Nakade D
1969 Rokutaro Nakade A9
1977 Aria AG80 (Masaru Takeiri)
1997 Hiroumi Yamaguchi A-I

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rotr
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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by rotr » Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:51 pm

And here is another interesting unknown guitar
https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/c734992206
Sakano Nakade 3000sss 1972
Sakazo Nakade 1200Y 1969
Ryoji Matsuoka MG-100 1975

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Post by madrilla » Sat Mar 09, 2019 10:20 pm

Dandan, they did not give a description on the tuners. But I thought the same as you, with it probably being a Sakazo . It was sold earlier today just under the customs duty limit.

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by rinneby » Sun Mar 10, 2019 9:19 am

madrilla wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 10:20 pm
Dandan, they did not give a description on the tuners. But I thought the same as you, with it probably being a Sakazo . It was sold earlier today just under the customs duty limit.
Yes, looks like Sakazo?

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by Petter » Sun Mar 10, 2019 2:18 pm

Well, the Sakazo Nakade 5000 with the cracks ended up going for 93000 yen. I stopped at 92000 hehe.

Would have liked to have it but then again I already have a Sakazo from that year without cracks that I really enjoy. I do enjoy it even more now than when I got it, replaced tuners for rubner roll and refinished the top with a thin french polish instead of the old nitrocellulose lacquer which was rather thick and damaged. Touched up the back as well, couple of old nicks in the lacquer which was filled with nitrocellulose lacquer and then sanded and touched up with a thin new coat of nitrocellulose.

I feel like getting rid of the thick laquer on top really did open up the sound, much louder and clearer. Probably mostly placebo though :)
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1961 Masaru Kono No. 519
1962 Rokutaro Nakade A4
1965 Masaru Kohno No. 4
1969 Masaru Kohno No. 7
1975 Ryoji Matsuoka No. 50
1976 Sakazo Nakade No. 2000

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by Ruki1414 » Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:52 pm

Hello,
Can somebody please translate this one:

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Thanks a lot.

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A Little Detective Work

Post by yelleko » Mon Mar 11, 2019 5:33 pm

Hello. I recently purchased this Sadao Yairi guitar and am trying to determine what model it is. The seller indicated that it is a JO30 (from 1970).

However:
1) I can't find any documentation on the internet indicating what the models were for 1970
2) The "clase" number looks more like (?)-"D"-3-0 ... the second character being a "D" not an "O" or a "0"
3) the (serial) number looks to be "59"
4) the first character of the serial number (59?) appears to the be same as the first character of the "clase" number. I wonder if this might be a Japanese "letter" rather than an (Arabic) "number"

I'd appreciate input from a fresh pair of eyes on this. Should someone have anything helpful to offer, I should love to hear.

Best regards.
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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by rotr » Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:08 pm

And another Nakade 5000 1981 appears :))) Interesting how sometimes rare instruments appears together. But the price is not so tempting, on the other hand, a collectible condition. BRW looks more like indian

https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/o305722893
Sakano Nakade 3000sss 1972
Sakazo Nakade 1200Y 1969
Ryoji Matsuoka MG-100 1975

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Re: A Little Detective Work

Post by Geordie » Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:45 pm

yelleko wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 5:33 pm
Hello. I recently purchased this Sadao Yairi guitar and am trying to determine what model it is. The seller indicated that it is a JO30 (from 1970).

However:
1) I can't find any documentation on the internet indicating what the models were for 1970
2) The "clase" number looks more like (?)-"D"-3-0 ... the second character being a "D" not an "O" or a "0"
3) the (serial) number looks to be "59"
4) the first character of the serial number (59?) appears to the be same as the first character of the "clase" number. I wonder if this might be a Japanese "letter" rather than an (Arabic) "number"

I'd appreciate input from a fresh pair of eyes on this. Should someone have anything helpful to offer, I should love to hear.

Best regards.
Can you show a better photo of the Clase number?

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Re: A Little Detective Work

Post by yelleko » Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:15 am

Here is another photo of the label. If the No. is 59, then perhaps could the clase number be 5030 ?
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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by Geordie » Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:04 pm

Back in April, 2008, the late yairi_luvr wrote in this Forum:

"There were two versions of the CY130: the 1970s to 1980s version with a carved headstock in the Moorish style and a late 1980s/90s version with a plain coral rosewood headplate. The CY130 with the carved headplate is the more collectible model. I think that all of the CY130s were long scale guitars: 660mm in scale length.

For a long time I thought there were only two versions of the CY130, but, there are actually 3 (4 if you consider the CY132 as one). I own one of each, the one from the mid 80s that has NO carving on the headstock, then one from 1976 that has a Moorish carved headstock, and another from 1970, which has a totally different design carved into the headstock. It does have a different model number 5036~ Yairi Virtuoso (they switched up the model numbers from 4 numbers to 2 letters 2 numbers, sometime around 1974-5), then the 5036 became the CY130. There are other details that are slightly different between the 5036 and CY130 (mine) the rosette is different, as are the tonewoods used on the back and sides. The 5036 is Indian Rosewood, the CY130 is Oceania Coral Rosewood (quite pretty), tops are solid cedar".

Although your Sadao Yairi is a Clase 5030 & the one discussed above is a Clase 5036, the description of the woods used probably relates to both. Their dates are both 1970.

Hope this helps.



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YL

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by Geordie » Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:08 pm

Back in April, 2008, the late yairi_luvr wrote in this Forum:

"There were two versions of the CY130: the 1970s to 1980s version with a carved headstock in the Moorish style and a late 1980s/90s version with a plain coral rosewood headplate. The CY130 with the carved headplate is the more collectible model. I think that all of the CY130s were long scale guitars: 660mm in scale length.

For a long time I thought there were only two versions of the CY130, but, there are actually 3 (4 if you consider the CY132 as one). I own one of each, the one from the mid 80s that has NO carving on the headstock, then one from 1976 that has a Moorish carved headstock, and another from 1970, which has a totally different design carved into the headstock. It does have a different model number 5036~ Yairi Virtuoso (they switched up the model numbers from 4 numbers to 2 letters 2 numbers, sometime around 1974-5), then the 5036 became the CY130. There are other details that are slightly different between the 5036 and CY130 (mine) the rosette is different, as are the tonewoods used on the back and sides. The 5036 is Indian Rosewood, the CY130 is Oceania Coral Rosewood (quite pretty), tops are solid cedar".

Although your Sadao Yairi is a Clase 5030 & the one discussed above is a Clase 5036, the description of the woods used probably relates to both. Their dates are both 1970.

Hope this helps.



Regards,

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by Geordie » Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:17 pm

Sorry, double post!

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by Nick Selby » Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:54 pm

I have two Asturias guitars. They are both lovely - very responsive, loud when they need to be but also with a delicate sweet tone in the trebles.

The better one is a beautiful John Mills spruce model from 1984. I was incredibly lucky to find this guitar - it had only just come into the shop when I turned up bearing a cheque from my insurers because my student Yamaha (that had got me through grade eight) had been stolen. It was love at first sight / play with this guitar. It can be temperamental, and I find I’ve never quite found the right strings for it (any suggestions?), and it probably needs a fret-dress, but it’s an incredible instrument; quite the best I’ve played.

I bought my second Asturias just over a year ago, on reverb. It’s a 1996 Prelude model (also in spruce). It’s a little easier to play than the John Mills, but less subtle in its tone. And it’s happier with hard tension D’Addarios than the John Mills.

Based on my experience, I’d recommend Asturias strongly. For their price, they’re amazing. As I understand it, for various reasons (exchange rate of the Yen to Dollar, original supplier to the US going bust) they never really got known in North America. They’re better known here in the UK, and you can pick up a good second hand one fairly easily.

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by yelleko » Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:19 pm

Geordle - Thanks for the input on my (new) S. Yairi. That was very helpful.

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