Indeed, the "No. guitars" was a homage to Kohno and the bracing was kind of a mixture between Kohno's design and more traditional ones. This gave the No. guitars great sustain in combination with the somewhat sweeter sound of Spanish guitars. These early Ryoji Matsuoka's are a real treasure for sure.James A. Showalter wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:09 pmI have to say, for as beaten up and ragged looking as this '72 Ryoji NO 20 is, the sound of it is as nice to the ear as my Pro-J. Different, not as loud but the lower frequencies sustain. With the low-end hanging like that - would you say it has belly? Could it be the old wood? The designs and bracings are in no way similar.
I was reading somewhere on this site about Ryoji Matsuoka guitars and the nomenclature that describes the 2 different guitars he made. Apparently, and I can't immediately locate the thread where it was discussed, Ryoji labeled guitars made using his design as "M" guitars. He also produced guitars labeled "NO". When I first saw the "NO" marking on my '72 I assumed it meant Number 18. In fact this "NO" marking means that Ryoji made the guitar using to some extent the Kohno design. That is why they often have ebony center stiffening on the necks.
I found it-
Jae Lee, 21 November 2016, "What about this old Ryoji Matsuoka?" I believe the thread was started by you Jon, about your purchase of the '72 NO 20.
What is the name of the piece you started playing?
There is a No.25 from 1975 on auction right now here. It seems to be in a good condition... . The auction ends in two days and, presently, the last offer is € 53,20 which is ridiculously low . And I do agree with you, my No.40 cost me much, but VERY MUCH, less than my Hermanos Camps Master but, sound wise, it is as good, if not better . It is a must for all of us, enthusiasts of Japanese vintage guitars... Victoria would be well served, I'm convinced.
I see Ryoji Matsuoka is taking over this thread! Regarding the sound of your "new" guitar, my No.20 was a sleeper and woke up after some playing time, so don't give upes335 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 5:49 pmLooks like it's time to disclose my latest purchase which had been disregarded a little bit for different reasons.
It's a Matsuoka No. 41/350, a model number system which obviously had been used mainly in Germany!? According internet researches it might be a model M50 but I'm not really sure about it. The printed number on the heel inside is 830609 and supposedly the manufacturing date. The said selling price in '83 was around 1100 DM, so actually no entry level guitar.
The guitar features a solid cedar top, a supposedly laminated but nicely figured rosewood body, single stripe reinforced neck with Ramirez head, a dark rosewood fingerboard which is tapered above fret 12 on bass AND treble side and Ramirez bracing as far as my fingers could feel without removing strings. Unfortunately an old hairline crack behind the bridge too which had not been reproted. But it seems to be stable even during the dry weather conditions we passed just recently and the buy was quite cheap, why it was still a reasonable buy!
Sound is nice and warm but frankly speaking I have not taken care about her too much for very different reasons, particularly as I wanted to observe the development of the crack first!
Here are some pictures for FYI!