Why most of my guitars are buzzing at 2nd fret?

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Re: Why most of my guitars are buzzing at 2nd fret?

Post by simonm » Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:21 am

Interesting mystery. Get someone else to try at least one of the buzzy guitars. When the other person hits these notes, do you or the other player hear the buzz. One guitar I made, buzzed (initially) when I played it but was buzz free when my teacher played it. Still not sure why.

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Re: Why most of my guitars are buzzing at 2nd fret?

Post by eno » Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:48 am

Thank you all for good suggestions!
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Re: Why most of my guitars are buzzing at 2nd fret?

Post by SteveL123 » Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:54 am

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Most of my guitars are slightly buzzing when I pluck the 4th and 5th strings at the 2nd fret. I don't think it's from strings touching the next fret, it seems to be independent of the action and doesn't sound like fret buzzing, it sounds more like a wooden buzz. I could not find any loose braces, it does not go away if I press on the body at any spot. If I pluck the same notes on other strings, like E on 5th string instead of 4th, it does not buzz anymore. It sounds like it's coming from the neck but it's hard to tell. I guess that must be a common problem, could someone tell me what is the root cause and whether it is possible to fix?
Very strange this happens on most of your guitars. Maybe it's something in the room your'e in that's buzzing and not the guitars? Did you try going to another room?

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Re: Why most of my guitars are buzzing at 2nd fret?

Post by rojarosguitar » Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:15 pm

It's not so strange. Most guitars have their main resonance somwhere between F#-G#, mostly around G. The sound signature is influenced by this resonance frequency. If all the guitars belong to the same 'family' soundwise they could exhibit strong top movements around these notes.
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Re: Why most of my guitars are buzzing at 2nd fret?

Post by SteveL123 » Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:46 pm

rojarosguitar wrote:
Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:15 pm
It's not so strange. Most guitars have their main resonance somwhere between F#-G#, mostly around G. The sound signature is influenced by this resonance frequency. If all the guitars belong to the same 'family' soundwise they could exhibit strong top movements around these notes.
His is not buzzing on F# of the 6th string but on the 2nd fret on the 4th and 5th strings, that'd be E and B.

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Re: Why most of my guitars are buzzing at 2nd fret?

Post by eno » Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:26 pm

SteveL123 wrote:
Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:46 pm
His is not buzzing on F# of the 6th string but on the 2nd fret on the 4th and 5th strings, that'd be E and B.
Right, I can hear the G resonance on most of my guitars but it's not where the buzzing is.
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Re: Why most of my guitars are buzzing at 2nd fret?

Post by SteveL123 » Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:31 pm

Can you post a sound clip pf the buzzing? Could it be a loose plug of ear wax? When's the last time you cleaned your ears?

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Re: Why most of my guitars are buzzing at 2nd fret?

Post by mike.janel » Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:48 pm

Why would it buzz on 4 or 5th string 2ed fret but not on the same notes in other pisitions?
Sound quality would be a bit different, say for e in 6th string but the mechanical difference is much larger.
The leverage of the string on the fret is much smaller in 12th fret.
This could be result of just pushing too hard as result of hearing deterioration (due to wax etc.).
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Re: Why most of my guitars are buzzing at 2nd fret?

Post by rojarosguitar » Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:59 pm

I'm sorry, didn't look properly. Still I would look for some excessive top excursions.
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Re: Why most of my guitars are buzzing at 2nd fret?

Post by Keith » Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:30 pm

Wax in ears? Humidity? Possessed room? Maybe it is time to go and see the...
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Re: Why most of my guitars are buzzing at 2nd fret?

Post by mike.janel » Sun Jul 30, 2017 10:40 am

Keith wrote:
Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:30 pm
Wax in ears? Humidity? Possessed room? Maybe it is time to go and see the...Guitar-Doctor-520x371.jpg
Is this for real?
Anyway, whatever sickness possesed his guitar, it must be an epidemic, since it got most of his guitars and he has like 7 of them.
I have checked my Burguet, and it also started to get a bit wolfy around the same frets.
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Re: Why most of my guitars are buzzing at 2nd fret?

Post by ashworth » Sun Jul 30, 2017 6:36 pm

This problem has often been reported. For me, it happens mainly on the D string, 2nd fret, but also to some degree on the second fret of the A string. I have it to a degree on both my guitars.

Here is one thread that deals with it:
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=57112&start
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Re: Why most of my guitars are buzzing at 2nd fret?

Post by eno » Sun Jul 30, 2017 7:18 pm

ashworth wrote:
Sun Jul 30, 2017 6:36 pm
This problem has often been reported. For me, it happens mainly on the D string, 2nd fret, but also to some degree on the second fret of the A string. I have it to a degree on both my guitars.

Here is one thread that deals with it:
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=57112&start
Oh, thanks! I think this is it, citar-like buzzing called "ghost harmonic"
Ugly Buzz :(
Ugly Buzz :(
Ugly Buzz :(
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Re: Why most of my guitars are buzzing at 2nd fret?

Post by rinneby » Sun Jul 30, 2017 7:39 pm

eno wrote:
Sun Jul 30, 2017 7:18 pm
ashworth wrote:
Sun Jul 30, 2017 6:36 pm
This problem has often been reported. For me, it happens mainly on the D string, 2nd fret, but also to some degree on the second fret of the A string. I have it to a degree on both my guitars.

Here is one thread that deals with it:
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=57112&start
Oh, thanks! I think this is it, citar-like buzzing called "ghost harmonic"
Ugly Buzz :(
Ugly Buzz :(
Ugly Buzz :(
This is a fairly common "problem" - Does it appear if you place your finger right next to the fret as well? There is really no way around it, expect trying to better your technique when it matters. Some guitars are more forgiving than others, its just the way it is.

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Re: Why most of my guitars are buzzing at 2nd fret?

Post by ashworth » Sun Jul 30, 2017 8:58 pm

rinneby wrote:
Sun Jul 30, 2017 7:39 pm
eno wrote:
Sun Jul 30, 2017 7:18 pm
ashworth wrote:
Sun Jul 30, 2017 6:36 pm
This problem has often been reported. For me, it happens mainly on the D string, 2nd fret, but also to some degree on the second fret of the A string. I have it to a degree on both my guitars.

Here is one thread that deals with it:
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=57112&start
Oh, thanks! I think this is it, citar-like buzzing called "ghost harmonic"
Ugly Buzz :(
Ugly Buzz :(
Ugly Buzz :(
This is a fairly common "problem" - Does it appear if you place your finger right next to the fret as well? There is really no way around it, expect trying to better your technique when it matters. Some guitars are more forgiving than others, its just the way it is.

/Jon
You will always get a buzz when the finger is too far back from the fret, or when not enough pressure is applied. But this problem is a little different than that—it happens only on certain frets on certain strings and when the finger is placed closely enough so that buzzing ought not to occur.
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