Peones?

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gjo
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Re: Peones?

Post by gjo » Tue Oct 24, 2017 5:31 am

John higgon wrote:
Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:54 pm
I like "glue blocks", though, Gerhard. Is there a good German translation? ("Stickstucken"!?)
Hi John, in Germany we use the word "Leimklötzchen" (= small glue blocks) or more simple "Klötzchen" (= small blocks).

Douglass Scott
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Re: Peones?

Post by Douglass Scott » Tue Oct 24, 2017 2:51 pm

lamanoditrento wrote:
Tue Oct 24, 2017 2:40 am
Also it may affect the amount of sustain as you either increase the impedance mismatach by having the peones closer together and therefore keeping more energy in the top after the initial attack or reduce it by having them further apart.
This kind of thing is impossible to know for sure as the sound difference would be super subtle. But if it makes sense to you then that could be enough reason to spend the time fitting the tentellones tightly against each other. Keep guitar making fun, follow your inspiration.

jerry farrell
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Re: Peones?

Post by jerry farrell » Sun Nov 05, 2017 12:32 am

I looked inside a Antonio Marin guitar at the top construction. There was not glue mess inside at all and the peones were installed touching each other. I could not tell if they where glued together. The inside of the Antonio Marin was just about the neatest looking guitar I have seen. The peones seem to have been laid from a strip not losing there position in the strip.

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Re: Peones?

Post by vesa » Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:20 am

jerry farrell wrote:
The inside of the Antonio Marin was just about the neatest looking guitar I have seen.
My words too -
looking inside my Marin is a bit like walking in a beautiful cathedral and
if you touch the wood - you can't get it smoother.
Vesa Kuokkanen

Antonio Marin nr. 813 1995 (Bouchet)
Vesa Kuokkanen 2016

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Manuel Najera
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Re: Peones?

Post by Manuel Najera » Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:57 pm

vesa wrote:
Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:20 am
jerry farrell wrote:
The inside of the Antonio Marin was just about the neatest looking guitar I have seen.
My words too -
looking inside my Marin is a bit like walking in a beautiful cathedral and
if you touch the wood - you can't get it smoother.
Inside and outside. Even when they are not saturated with marquetry, they just look stunning. All the lines and curves fit perfectly.
I have had the fortune to hold and play one of his guitars and it was one of the best I´ve ever played and looked at. Everything was perfect on that guitar, the looks, the sound, the size, even the aroma was just right.

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Re: Peones?

Post by cattanarts » Tue Dec 26, 2017 7:13 pm

geoff-bristol wrote:
Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:07 am
Paeones - Peones - Never sure how to spell them - but I do like them. An ancient simple form of joint !

I make my own - The last three instruments have been cypress as I have a lot spare - and cypress linings and blocks smell good.
I keep all the ones from one length of strip together ( I stick them in little bags ) then lay them as a set. I make a new set for each guitar - as the strips sort of vary on my mood at the time ( tall and thin, short and fat ?)

If you saw them by hand on a small fence/block with a stop its quite quick. Mount them when cutting so the glued face is away from you and upwards - on a pull saw. This leaves the glued edges clean. I can't resist cleaning up the outer faces a bit - just a quick de-snot - which is a bit tedious !

Their shape needs some thought - as not being clamped they can be quite triangular - which is maybe best shape for a lining. When things are being clamped one has to stay mainly flat. I usually mark a pencil line along the strip before cutting, either at the base, top etc - different for each length. I then know I have the 90 deg corner inside - and the sets do not get mixed up !
Before sawing them up - I take a small chamfer off that inner 90 deg corner. so they sit better. I glue them with hide glue.
In Madrid and some other parts we call them ''Zoquetillos'', anyway, I'll share soon a little kind of dictionary about how we call the different guitar parts and works in Spain, for example, in Madrid we say Cenefas, in Granada they sey Junquillos, and in other countries you say Bindings, in Madrid we say Refuerzo Picado, in Granada Diente de Perro, and in other countries kerfred lining, and so

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