Wine and Guitars

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DTut
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Wine and Guitars

Post by DTut » Sun Oct 29, 2017 10:39 pm

Ever notice the sound description of some guitars is written like the description of a wine?

The sound is very focused with a clear and very firm fundamental at the core of every note, yet each note is also surrounded by a warm, complementary layer of rich overtones, giving it a full-bodied sound without loss of clarity.

An incredible nose of smoke, black fruits, cappuccino, and toasty wood is followed by an expansive, concentrated and sumptuous texture, no hard edges, beautifully integrated acidity and tannin.

just sayin'...
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mChavez
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Re: Wine and Guitars

Post by mChavez » Sun Oct 29, 2017 10:45 pm

The second one is from the Summer 2017 Martin catalogue, right?

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Re: Wine and Guitars

Post by petermc61 » Mon Oct 30, 2017 7:33 am

Seems sensible to me.

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Re: Wine and Guitars

Post by Gary Macleod » Mon Oct 30, 2017 7:41 am

Being Scottish, I think more in terms of guitars and whiskey.

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Re: Wine and Guitars

Post by mike.janel » Mon Oct 30, 2017 9:27 am

Makes sense.
Both attempting to describe the indescribable subjective experiance.
There was a lot of buzz on the net latelly, about trying to describe the color of a dress and a pair of shoes.
It turns out that some colors are perceived differently by different people.
So, how could we hope to describe sound or taste in words?
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Re: Wine and Guitars

Post by Jack Douglas » Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:22 pm

Why not! Our senses respond to both. ‘Silky, soothing, seductive,,,,’
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Re: Wine and Guitars

Post by Tim522 » Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:47 pm

i love drinking wine while i'm playing guitar:)

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Re: Wine and Guitars

Post by John Stone » Sat Nov 04, 2017 4:01 pm

mChavez wrote:
Sun Oct 29, 2017 10:45 pm
The second one is from the Summer 2017 Martin catalogue, right?
Ha ha - I know the guy who writes those descriptions. I've teased him about them.
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Re: Wine and Guitars

Post by MessyTendon » Sat Nov 04, 2017 4:14 pm

Cheap wine is nasty...cheap guitars can be a great deal of fine.

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Re: Wine and Guitars

Post by wchymeus » Sat Nov 04, 2017 4:22 pm

I refuse to drink a Smallman, I'm more in favor of organic guitars!
petermc61 wrote:
Mon Oct 30, 2017 7:33 am
Seems sensible to me.
Why am I not surprised looking at your avatar?
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Re: Wine and Guitars

Post by bear » Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:09 am

I play and Italian cedar, drink Italian reds and married an Italian brunette. The comparison hadn't occurred to me.
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Re: Wine and Guitars

Post by Andrew Pohlman » Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:25 pm

This makes me wonder. Can you dye the top of a guitar with red wine? It would probably be unstable and fade over time... But in theory, are the pigments in red wine an acceptable dye? If so, then not only would that a novelty level of cool, but you actually could drink red wine while making guitars! :D
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Re: Wine and Guitars

Post by simonm » Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:55 pm

I spotted a "Château Guitar" Bordeaux on my way through France recently. I suspect it is just a new marketing gimmick and didn't seriously think about buying any but the bottle would look ok on the shelf. Put "Château Guitar 2014" in your fav search engine and see what it turns up.

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Re: Wine and Guitars

Post by wchymeus » Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:25 am

Nice find! Did you try it?
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Re: Wine and Guitars

Post by vincentx » Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:52 pm

Nice found!

I had the very same idea. And one thing makes wine description working is that the wine nose. It doesn't matter if you smell red berries and others smell something else. You both gonna reference in the nose, and you both trained by the nose. the nose becomes a language to describe the smells. And you have to learn the language first.

I've been working a guitar ear for almost 5 years. To select a set of pieces for testing certain sound perspectives, and record them as the reference. So far, not going anywhere. But really interesting.
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