RobMacKillop wrote: ↑
Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:50 am
Good! And how many were strung with gut and silk strings? They make a huge difference to your perception of what the Torres sound is. Now, I'm not saying what I've done here is definitely the Torres sound, or in your words a poor-man's Torres (I never claimed that), but it does bring me closer to that sound world than any of the Torres-inspired guitars I've played or have heard. It's the combination of the lightness and the strings. Unfortunately, there are many modern flamenco guitars that are relatively heavy, especially the cheaper ones, but it's worth shopping around to find a very light and resonant example. And I've played quite a few luthier "Torres" models which look great, but are too heavy, the back, sides and top being too thick, as if the maker was scared to go as thin as Torres did - they don't want the owner bringing it back six months later with split sides. My experiment is not perfect, but I think it brings me pretty close.
The point is that pre 1910s guitars are different,not only Torres.All the antiques I hand in my hands were extremely light,while the replicas with similar dimensions are heavier(pre 1910s tend to have super thin sides,sometimes 1mm...).
Till that time the difference between classical and flamenco where none,by 1910 you can find Andres Marin /Salvador Ibañez having "guitarras sevillanas" in their catalogs,but no flamencas(which still nowadays is argued if it is flamenco or just andalusian folk music
Needles to say,many replicas have a sound similar to the originals in the period,but most sound closer to a sturdy modern guitar(with an smaller template),all the replicas I have seen were heavier...
One of the builders i know(who has made 2 replicas for me in the past),said he would never do thinner sides(he would do a thinner back,even on guitars who had just 2 backbars ).He wouldn't risk it, specially with the sides...
Guitars made for gut,expect the trebles from the strings(gut),so they tend to have rounder trebles(with regular nylons)
Regarding the flamencas,all the antiques I have have the same neck angle(also my torres copy).
IHMO a very light flamenca can give the vibe of an antique guitar,but may be too bright/dry with gut(depends on the guitar,changing the action to 4/3 will make it rounder).
It works for Trepat,I have played an old Conde flamenca,I was blown away about how warm it sounded for a flamenca(again a superbly light instrument,the owner said he would never sell it