Something unusual about Jason Vieaux guitar...???

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Re: Something unusual about Jason Vieaux guitar...???

Post by Ken Whisler » Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:36 pm

Arash Ahmadi wrote:
Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:10 am
On the other hand, as far as I know, Julian Bream, John Williams, Manuel Barrueco, etc. managed to have less or no cracks on their instruments although they were having decades of international tours.
Bream’s Romanillos has already been mentioned.

Segovia’s Hauser was in pretty sad shape near the end of its use.

Jerry Roberts (a close friend of Bob Ruck) told me that Barrueco’s famous Ruck had been taken apart and re-assembled by Bob a few times before Manuel switched to Damman.
A very good guitar maker once explained to me that because the top is supported by 2 layers (DT) and probably nomex, it is less likely to crack or change in any way due to humidity and weather change. That makes me want to believe that they are crack looking braces on JV's guitar as some luthiers explained but again they seem too irregular for that, so...
I’ve seen a few older, well played double tops that were delaminating.

Bottom line: a well played guitar that travels is going to show battle scars. When I get a guitar back for tweaking that’s been played hard and traveled far and shows it, I consider it an honor.
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Re: Something unusual about Jason Vieaux guitar...???

Post by Dofpic » Wed Apr 10, 2019 12:14 pm

Scott Tennant told me he had a Dammann that was fantastic and like driving a Ferrari. Then after about ten years he woke up one morning and the guitar was just a normal guitar. No longer that race car. He has not owned a double top since then to the best of my knowledge.
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Re: Something unusual about Jason Vieaux guitar...???

Post by Arash Ahmadi » Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:01 pm

Dofpic wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 12:14 pm
Scott Tennant told me he had a Dammann that was fantastic and like driving a Ferrari. Then after about ten years he woke up one morning and the guitar was just a normal guitar. No longer that race car. He has not owned a double top since then to the best of my knowledge.
That's an interesting story, though I'm not sure if he meant the guitar has changed tone/color/sound or he no longer liked it. The latter seems more likely...
It seems like the same happens to some guitarists who switch to lattice. At first they might like the response and the whole different sound experience but one day they may no longer like it. On the other hand, John Williams had the exact opposite experience. I don't think he ever switched back to a traditional guitar after his Smallman.
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Re: Something unusual about Jason Vieaux guitar...???

Post by Arash Ahmadi » Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:03 pm

Ken Whisler wrote:
Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:36 pm
Arash Ahmadi wrote:
Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:10 am
On the other hand, as far as I know, Julian Bream, John Williams, Manuel Barrueco, etc. managed to have less or no cracks on their instruments although they were having decades of international tours.
Bream’s Romanillos has already been mentioned.

Segovia’s Hauser was in pretty sad shape near the end of its use.

Jerry Roberts (a close friend of Bob Ruck) told me that Barrueco’s famous Ruck had been taken apart and re-assembled by Bob a few times before Manuel switched to Damman.
A very good guitar maker once explained to me that because the top is supported by 2 layers (DT) and probably nomex, it is less likely to crack or change in any way due to humidity and weather change. That makes me want to believe that they are crack looking braces on JV's guitar as some luthiers explained but again they seem too irregular for that, so...
I’ve seen a few older, well played double tops that were delaminating.

Bottom line: a well played guitar that travels is going to show battle scars. When I get a guitar back for tweaking that’s been played hard and traveled far and shows it, I consider it an honor.
Spooky stories. I would consider those guitars, veterans! :wink:
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Re: Something unusual about Jason Vieaux guitar...???

Post by Arash Ahmadi » Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:08 pm

Ken Whisler wrote:
Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:36 pm

I’ve seen a few older, well played double tops that were delaminating.
That's fishy, isn't it? A while ago a member of the forum had posted a picture of his Chinese lattice guitar, he had played the instrument and put it in the case. Next day, he finds the bridge detached from the top...
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Re: Something unusual about Jason Vieaux guitar...???

Post by Dofpic » Wed Apr 10, 2019 11:04 pm

Scott made it clear to me that the guitar had lost its vigor....

Arash Ahmmadi wrote...That's an interesting story, though I'm not sure if he meant the guitar has changed tone/color/sound or he no longer liked it. The latter seems more likely...
It seems like the same happens to some guitarists who switch to lattice. At first they might like the response and the whole different sound experience but one day they may no longer like it. On the other hand, John Williams had the exact opposite experience. I don't think he ever switched back to a traditional guitar after his Smallman. made it clear to me that the guitar lost its vigor
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Re: Something unusual about Jason Vieaux guitar...???

Post by Arash Ahmadi » Fri Apr 12, 2019 5:32 pm

Dofpic wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 11:04 pm
Scott made it clear to me that the guitar had lost its vigor....
Hmm...
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