Baroque Lute Build

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Re: Baroque Lute Build

Post by Michael.N. » Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:30 pm

The curved fan brace is called a J bar. I don't think anyone knows the real reason why, just that someone did it and it somehow become the standard. Perhaps the chap that first did it had a big reputation and everyone just followed regardless whether it did anything great at all!
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Re: Baroque Lute Build

Post by geoff-bristol » Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:59 pm

Thanks - will do some j bar research !

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Re: Baroque Lute Build

Post by Ricardo Barros » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:21 pm

Hi Geoff. I am afraid I dont have much to say regarding the Rose or the J bar... this is my first lute and I am just following the plans.

Regarding the rose, I would suggest you to pick a simple version. It is very hard to make it look good using the more complex patterns, and the simple ones all look very nice.
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Re: Baroque Lute Build

Post by Ryeman » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:16 pm

I think one of the keys to carving a neat crisp rose is to use the right wood. I always used spruce that had spring and summer growth rings that were even in density, as far as possible. The last thing you want is wood that is hard /soft /hard /soft when cutting through it.

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Re: Baroque Lute Build

Post by Ricardo Barros » Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:53 am

This week I made the fretboard.
The worst part was to plane and scrape the ebony to its final thickness...
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Then I cut the little decorative points, and its correspondent space in the spruce top:
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Glued the fretboard using hot hide glue:
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And this is how my lute looks right now. We're getting closer to the end !
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Re: Baroque Lute Build

Post by tateharmann » Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:48 am

Super cool - it's getting close!!
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Re: Baroque Lute Build

Post by Ricardo Barros » Thu Jan 25, 2018 5:43 pm

A few important details this week.

I removed the brown protective paper from the back of the neck:
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Then I made the little points that go on the sides of the bridge:
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And made and installed the ebony bindings, and finally began the finishing of the instrument.
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Still waiting the delivery of the strings, gut frets and the peghole reamer, but now the conclusion of this adventure is getting really close !
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Re: Baroque Lute Build

Post by tateharmann » Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:48 pm

Awesome can't wait to hear it!
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Re: Baroque Lute Build

Post by Ricardo Barros » Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:12 pm

The lute is ready...well, almost !

Applied shellac and tung oil to the Bowl, it´s looking good!
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The I made the bone nuts:
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Then came the hard part, reaming the pegholes and fitting the pegs....
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In the end, it´s looking pretty good!
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Re: Baroque Lute Build

Post by Ricardo Barros » Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:20 pm

Then I stringed the whole thing !!
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I was very happy with the fact that the bridge didn´t came off flying off :D !!

However, the action on the first two strings are lower than it should, a lot of fret buzzes. I´ll change a few frets to thinner ones and increase the height on the bridge a little, it should fix that.

The one thing that got me down was the pegs....About half of them are working fine, but there are just too many of them not ok. I am considering two possibilities: sending my lute to a proper luthier to adjust the pegbox and pegs (difficult to find in Brazil), or changing all the pegs to pegheds (expensive, but probably worthwhile). Still thinking on the subject.

As soon these adjustment are done, I´ll post some pictures of the completed lute!
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Re: Baroque Lute Build

Post by OldPotter » Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:12 pm

The one thing that got me down was the pegs....About half of them are working fine, but there are just too many of them not ok.
Is it possible to say what is wrong with the pegs?

I hope to build something similar and am worrying about this part.

I have enjoyed your posts on this, it looks superb.
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Re: Baroque Lute Build

Post by Ricardo Barros » Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:14 pm

Hi Old Potter, I´m glad you are liking the posts !

The problem with the pegs is that I didn´t check carefully if the taper on them was the same as the reamer I was going to use. I bought the pegs pre-made and assumed they were the same (1:30 taper), but they were not. So in the end, the holes are too tight on the small side and too large on the other. They are tight and loose at the same time!(a nightmare to tune).

I´ll probably change them all for custom made Pegheds. I just don´t see myself tuning 24 pegs everyday for a long time...
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Re: Baroque Lute Build

Post by OldPotter » Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:14 pm

Hi Ricardo
I wonder if a peg shaper would help? They seem to be widely available.
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Re: Baroque Lute Build

Post by Ricardo Barros » Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:04 am

Yes, that’s what I should have done. I should have used the peg shaver before the peghole reamer.
Now the holes are too big, and if I reduce the thickness of the pegs on the thin side, I won’t have enough peg shaft remaining...
I could try thicker pegs , but the Pegheds seem much easier to fix my current problem (since they are custom made). They are more expensive, but the expense should pay itself with the economy of time tuning the instrument on the next 20 years
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Re: Baroque Lute Build

Post by Ricardo Barros » Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:05 am

Yes, that’s what I should have done. I should have used the peg shaver before the peghole reamer.
Now the holes are too big, and if I reduce the thickness of the pegs on the thin side, I won’t have enough peg shaft remaining...
I could try thicker pegs , but the Pegheds seem much easier to fix my current problem (since they are custom made). They are more expensive, but the expense should pay itself with the economy of time tuning the instrument on the next 20 years
Sergio Abreu 2012 (sp/ir)
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