Baroque Lute Build

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Re: Baroque Lute Build

Post by Michael.N. » Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:52 am

Yes, you set the peg shaper to the reamer that you use. That way you know that it's the exact same taper. Then you bed them in, which is just turning them until you get a glazed band all around the peg that matches the width of the pegbox walls. Only then do you trim to length.
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Re: Baroque Lute Build

Post by geoff-bristol » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:22 am

Its very important to use a peg shaver that matches your reamer. They are epensive to buy but easy to make.( see below )
Even the ones you buy are a pig to set up - which is why my wooden ones have crude adjusters !

Final fitting on the instrument is done by rubbing the peg head in its hole - and quickly placing it on your lips. If one end is warmer than the other - it needs slight adjustment with fine emery.
Pegs are not easy to fit !

One needs to consider the weight of pegheads maybe - let alone the price !

Pic - one of my shavers - using a Herdim replacement blade ( cheap and saves hassle ) - also I modified it with an edge adjuster.


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Re: Baroque Lute Build

Post by Ricardo Barros » Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:04 pm

It´s finally done !!! (well...almost :D )

I decided to remove the regular pegs that I had installed improperly and substitute them for PegHeds. They got here last week , and they are amazing. Installation is easy (easier than regular pegs), they work amazingly well. Tuning is much easier and pleasurable now.

There was a concern regarding their weight, but I didn´t feel any real difference in the instrument after they were installed. They are heavier than normal pegs, but not much (a few grams each, so probably around 50g for them all). I use a strap on my lute, and it stays really well balanced.
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I had a few buzzes, and my first attemp at installing the frets wasn´t perfect (they weren´t tight enough). So, a re-fretted the lute and fixed the buzzes.

It sounds great and looks very nice, if I may say so. :D
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There are only two minor details remaining:
1. The 3 little wooden frets (I´ll try to make and install them over the weekend)
2. Learn to play the baroque lute ! (that should be the easiest part :shock: )

Thank you all for your attention and help during all these months

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Re: Baroque Lute Build

Post by tateharmann » Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:22 pm

Yahoooo! Awesome :) Looks great to me! Did you get the wooden frets installed yet?

And...have you learned to play it already? hehe
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Re: Baroque Lute Build

Post by Roberto001 » Wed Aug 15, 2018 7:30 pm

Looks great! I´m about to receive a 13c baroque lute and the luthier is also using D. Van Edwards plans.

Do you have any news? Have you been able to play it?

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Re: Baroque Lute Build

Post by Ricardo Barros » Fri Aug 17, 2018 5:13 pm

Thanks Tate and Roberto !

No news so far...I´ve been very busy at work, and unfortunately I haven´t dedicated any time to my lute lately, neither as a player or as luthier....
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Re: Baroque Lute Build

Post by Etfleming » Tue Aug 28, 2018 12:31 am

Hi, I thought you might be interested in this blog which details how to do the body frets: http://thelutesprogress.blogspot.com/?m=1

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Re: Baroque Lute Build

Post by Etfleming » Sat Feb 09, 2019 6:56 pm

Ricardo, on your mould, did you also scoop out 1 mm from the edge of each section to encourage the fluted effect for each rib? I am building a Renaissance lute and have done this on the mould, but I wasn't sure if I should also do it on the areas right next to the top. So far, I have the mold built, but not the ribs. I am starting on the top block at this point. Thanks!

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Re: Baroque Lute Build

Post by Ryeman » Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:25 pm

Etfleming wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 6:56 pm
Ricardo, on your mould, did you also scoop out 1 mm from the edge of each section to encourage the fluted effect for each rib? I am building a Renaissance lute and have done this on the mould, but I wasn't sure if I should also do it on the areas right next to the top. So far, I have the mold built, but not the ribs. I am starting on the top block at this point. Thanks!
No need to plan for scalloping. If you get the rib thickness right it will just happen.

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Re: Baroque Lute Build

Post by 2lost2find » Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:42 pm

Looks good... mine is not going so well. I can't even really get my damn block plane to work right. Van Edwards paints this as a good project for the completely inexperienced... I can't say i agree.

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Re: Baroque Lute Build

Post by RobMacKillop » Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:35 pm

Looks good. Well done. I've played lutes, including baroque, for decades, and have never used the body frets. So don't rush to put them on.

Those bass strings will ring on for a long time. Keep playing them, though. In two years' time they'll begin to sound good :-)

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Re: Baroque Lute Build

Post by Ricardo Barros » Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:43 pm

Sorry for the delayed answers, I haven´t been here on Delcamp forum for a while

@etfleming, thanks for the link ! I finally made the body frets; I used the instructions on Mr Van Edwards course and it worked fine. Regarding your question about the scalloping of the ribs, I`m afraid I didn´t understand the question (english is not my native language). maybe a picture would help? I can say that I closely followed all the orientations on Mr Van Edwards course, and every piece fit in the end ! :D

@2lost2find : although the course is very complete, I have to agree that a complete inexperienced luthier will probably face some difficulties. I had done 4 classical guitar before the lute, and such small experience was enough to make a very respectable lute, that is holding up so far LOL.
The problem is learning to use and sharpen properly the tools (this is not included in the course, it is assumed that the student is using properly sharpened tools). Learning to sharp a plane and chisels is difficult, I haven´t learned so far, just enought to get by...

@RobMackillop thanks for the nice words. You are one of my inspirations as a multiinstrumentalist musician ....But I clearly lack your talent, I can´t play any instrument reasonably well; maybe I should pick one and practice it enough... :)
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Re: Baroque Lute Build

Post by RobMacKillop » Thu Apr 18, 2019 6:25 pm

Cheers, Ricardo, but there are better role models out there, for sure!

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