Ponce, Manuel - Tropico - video with gut strings

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Ponce, Manuel - Tropico - video with gut strings

Post by RobMacKillop » Tue Jan 01, 2019 10:07 pm

Following on from David Norton's video of three Ponce preludes to celebrate recordings of Ponce's music now being able to be shared here, I offer his beautiful Tropico, which I used to demonstrate gut strings by Damian Dlugolecki at 440 pitch. It's a beautiful piece of guitar music, and not too hard to play. The challenge is getting the pace right, and sustaining it throughout.


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Re: Ponce, Manuel - Tropico - video with gut strings

Post by David Norton » Tue Jan 01, 2019 10:16 pm

Very nicely done, Rob. I've heard this piece several times on recordings, this is the first I've ever "seen" it being played though. Odd that "Tropico" never gained the popularity that the "Vals" did, even though I believe they are all more or less the same time period. Well, the Vals ended up on Segovia LP and the others didn't, so that explains it right off.

Ah, here I have it: Oscar Ghiglia recorded "Four Pieces (1932): Mazurka, Vals, Tropico, Rumba" on his all-Ponce (and all-D tuning...) CD from 1999.
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Re: Ponce, Manuel - Tropico - video with gut strings

Post by Erik Zurcher » Tue Jan 01, 2019 10:17 pm

Wow! I love your sweet sound, Rob. Thank you for sharing. :bravo: :merci: :bye:
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Re: Ponce, Manuel - Tropico - video with gut strings

Post by RobMacKillop » Tue Jan 01, 2019 10:20 pm

Cheers, David. I've never heard a recording of these pieces, which needs to be remedied, as imagine Ghiglia's recording will be out of production now. I'm sure David Russel would do a fine job on them.

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Post by Stephen Kenyon » Tue Jan 01, 2019 11:00 pm

Yes I'm biased. But that's Rob's tone at its best.
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Post by RobMacKillop » Tue Jan 01, 2019 11:01 pm

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Post by Stephen Kenyon » Tue Jan 01, 2019 11:09 pm

Is it an arrangement?
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Re: Ponce, Manuel - Tropico - video with gut strings

Post by RobMacKillop » Tue Jan 01, 2019 11:26 pm

No. A composition by Ponce. I remember first seeing the score in a guitar magazine, but I can't remember which one. It's part of four pieces: "Four Pieces (1932): Mazurka, Vals, Tropico, Rumba" mentioned by David above. I found it again in "Quatro Piezas para Guitar" (Schott GA519), edited by Alcázar, who says he reproduced what was written in a manuscript in Ponce's hand.

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Post by RobMacKillop » Tue Jan 01, 2019 11:32 pm

By the way, I couldn't play that guitar these days, as the neck is quite thick. I've been forced to sell thick-necked instruments for thin-necked ones. Tis a pity, but at least I can still play.

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Post by David Norton » Tue Jan 01, 2019 11:48 pm

RobMacKillop wrote:
Tue Jan 01, 2019 11:26 pm
No. A composition by Ponce. I remember first seeing the score in a guitar magazine, but I can't remember which one. It's part of four pieces: "Four Pieces (1932): Mazurka, Vals, Tropico, Rumba" mentioned by David above. I found it again in "Quatro Piezas para Guitar" (Schott GA519), edited by Alcázar, who says he reproduced what was written in a manuscript in Ponce's hand.
It's also published in "Manuel M Ponce and the Guitar", by Corazon Otero (Musical New Services, 1983). The pieces in the Otero book are:

Alborada;
Tropico;
Allegretto (from Sonata Mexicana);
Rumba;
Cancion Popular Gallega (a setting of "El Noi de la Mare")
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Re: Ponce, Manuel - Tropico - video with gut strings

Post by David Norton » Tue Jan 01, 2019 11:51 pm

RobMacKillop wrote:
Tue Jan 01, 2019 11:32 pm
By the way, I couldn't play that guitar these days, as the neck is quite thick. I've been forced to sell thick-necked instruments for thin-necked ones. Tis a pity, but at least I can still play.
Strange to note that age has led me down the opposite pathway. The 2008 Hill which I used for the Ponce Preludes video has a very thin neck, which I find rather uncomfortable now. I prefer the thicker necks on my Walker or Culpepper guitars. Neither is right/wrong, just curious how aging affects us each differently.
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Re: Ponce, Manuel - Tropico - video with gut strings

Post by RobMacKillop » Tue Jan 01, 2019 11:52 pm

Indeed. As long as we can still play. Good luck!

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Re: Ponce, Manuel - Tropico - video with gut strings

Post by Jorge Oliveira » Wed Jan 02, 2019 4:51 pm

RobMacKillop wrote:
Tue Jan 01, 2019 10:07 pm
Following on from David Norton's video of three Ponce preludes to celebrate recordings of Ponce's music now being able to be shared here, I offer his beautiful Tropico, which I used to demonstrate gut strings by Damian Dlugolecki at 440 pitch. It's a beautiful piece of guitar music, and not too hard to play. The challenge is getting the pace right, and sustaining it throughout.
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Beautiful piece and lovingly played, Rob. I had heard of Manuel Ponce but had not listened to any of his compositions until David posted three of his Preludes yesterday and you followed suit with this Tropico. Parts of it reminds me of Erik Satie's Gymnopédies...
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Re: Ponce, Manuel - Tropico - video with gut strings

Post by cliffbryant » Wed Jan 02, 2019 5:21 pm

Beautiful Rob!

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Re: Ponce, Manuel - Tropico - video with gut strings

Post by RobMacKillop » Wed Jan 02, 2019 5:34 pm

Cliff, I think there should be a comma between beautiful and Rob! :lol:

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