It's good to receive an opinion from someone who is experienced with both configurations! I looked up the Naiant system at their website, and I'm suprised about both portability and affordability. Even though I'll get just a portable recorder for the start, I'll keep in mind this upgrade path.el_guitarrero wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:05 pmHello,
I had Zoom H2n, H5, Tascam dr-05 and sony pcm m10. The omni mics of the last two mentioned were much better for classical guitar, sony with the warmest sound.
Since both mics are close together, the stereo effect is not the best, in xy or (small-AB) omni config. If the recorder has PIP (mic in) 3,5mm stereo input, you can upgrade to Naiant X-R mics and create a bigger sound by spreading the mics up to 60cm / two feet.
Almost all recorders can be connected as usb device to Android and IOS devices.
Most smart-phone add-on microphones I saw had a proprietary connector for just one type of phone (e.g. iPhone 4). I saw the Zoom H1 can act as external phone with USB. Indeed I think of using just the built-in mics, because I'd record in whichever room I happen to be in when I practice and do not want to waste too much practice time on set-up.sxedio wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:49 pmRegarding no 2 and 3 have a look also at add ons for smart phones e.g. viewtopic.php?f=16&t=116528&p=1240065#p1240065 I'm sure there must be some android equivalents.
Regarding no 1 I have the Zoom H5 with XY cardioids, and I also have a lavalier omni mic . I did try testing them against each other and I honestly couldn't hear much of a difference. In practice the built in mics are going to be easier to use, unless you set up everything permanently in a studio space.
Tascam specifies the DR-05's built-in microphones as "omnidirectional, stereo", and indeed they are set up in a configuration similar to ORTF (had to look it up, got a glimpse of a whole new world of knowledge...). Feel free to read my question as "ORTF vs. X/Y stereo on portable recorders"tubeman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 8:05 pmI don't think a portable recorder with built-in omni mics would sound very good. Omnis need to be a few feet apart to produce a stereo image. In fact, I've never seen such a configuration: all portables I've seen are either X/Y or a modified ORTF--definitely some version of co-incident mics. If you use an outboard preamp/mixer, then omnis will sound fine, a little diffuse, perhaps, if the room has a lot of natural reverb.
So, at this point you use separate mics which are connected to a computer or smart device via a USB interface which contains mic pre-amp and DAC? Sorry about the question, I am pretty new at this...el_guitarrero wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 8:40 amHello,
with all respect, I have / had all this equipment and tested it carefully, until I decided to go the USB Interface/ separate Mics Route.
The Small Cardioid Mics (XY) in Zoom Devices have a too small diameter to produce a fat/ big sound. The interchangeable capsules of Zoom H5/ H6 can be upgraded to XYH-6 with a bigger diametre, and bass response and mids will be enhanced.
Here is why I prefer Omnis:
Omnis work different, the capsule size does not play such a role (see DPA mics, one of the best mics for classical music).
They create the better sound, not harsh and with emphasized highs as with the XY-Zoom Mics (Cardioids).Less Nail Click and Squeaks.
XY does not create the "big sound" that we often desire with classical guitar. In this case, A B stereo Spread between 2 mics is needed, at least 60cm.
And the 2 small Omni capsules built in the Tascam and Sony do pretty well. There is a good "environmental sound" that can be isolated by getting closer to the Instrument. Oh, one more plus, there is no proximity effect with Omnis. (Highs drowned by Bass, when getting close to the sound source).
But, to come back to the topic, in direct comparison to separate mics and Interface, the Sony PCM M10 has the most pleasing sound, since mids and bass are better represented. The sound created is very good for classical/ wood instruments in general.
All the best!