The "Thump" when recording...it's everywhere but how to get rid of it?

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The "Thump" when recording...it's everywhere but how to get rid of it?

Post by rpavich » Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:02 pm

I tried to record some of my playing with a DR-05. I found that I had a "thump" on some of the lower notes and chalked it up to my lack of experience recording.

Well, I happened to be checking out videos of various folks playing Wild Mountain Thyme and noticed that it wasn't just me...the thump is real.

It's very distracting once you notice it and I'd like to know if it's possible to record and not have that thump. It's almost like the mic is being overloaded but I can't believe that nobody realizes that when they are recording.

See these examples:


And



And here but less so.

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Re: The "Thump" when recording...it's everywhere but how to get rid of it?

Post by prawnheed » Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:28 pm

Maybe it is is a problem with your playback device, not the recordings.

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Post by rpavich » Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:31 pm

prawnheed wrote:
Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:28 pm
Maybe it is is a problem with your playback device, not the recordings.
So are you saying that you didn't hear any low end thump on any of the notes in those videos?
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Post by prawnheed » Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:38 pm

rpavich wrote:
Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:31 pm
prawnheed wrote:
Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:28 pm
Maybe it is is a problem with your playback device, not the recordings.
So are you saying that you didn't hear any low end thump on any of the notes in those videos?
No I don't, but as I am listening on the speaker built into a phone in a noisy environment ...

But, if I was looking for a cause for a problem, I'd start by looking at the common elements of the circumstances in which it occurs.

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Post by rpavich » Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:41 pm

prawnheed wrote:
Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:38 pm
rpavich wrote:
Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:31 pm
prawnheed wrote:
Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:28 pm
Maybe it is is a problem with your playback device, not the recordings.
So are you saying that you didn't hear any low end thump on any of the notes in those videos?
No I don't, but as I am listening on the speaker built into a phone in a noisy environment ...

But, if I was looking for a cause for a problem, I'd start by looking at the common elements of the circumstances in which it occurs.
It seems to be there in my phone, my laptop, and my home stereo.

I'm not sure it's not related to the dropped-D tuning...the frequency of the low D, but it seems to not be limited to that string on the recordings.
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Post by franks59 » Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:17 pm

I can't really hear anything that sounds like a "thump" to me.
Is there a particular spot (time) where it is most noticeable?

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Post by rpavich » Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:24 pm

franks59 wrote:
Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:17 pm
I can't really hear anything that sounds like a "thump" to me.
Is there a particular spot (time) where it is most noticeable?

Frank
Yes. On the first note of the scott tennant video it's there along with the note also on the Tavi video...same thing...the first note.

On the Matthew McAllister video it's the 3rd note..not the first note.

It's almost like a dull thump...kind of a note but if you were to slightly mute the note.
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Post by rpavich » Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:28 pm

It's NOT present on this recording though it's also dropped D (I believe)

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Post by franks59 » Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:29 pm

rpavich wrote:
Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:24 pm
franks59 wrote:
Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:17 pm
I can't really hear anything that sounds like a "thump" to me.
Is there a particular spot (time) where it is most noticeable?

Frank
Yes. On the first note of the scott tennant video it's there along with the note also on the Tavi video...same thing...the first note.

On the Matthew McAllister video it's the 3rd note..not the first note.

It's almost like a dull thump...kind of a note but if you were to slightly mute the note.
I can hear Scott's note is more muted than Tavi's but it doesn't sound like a thump to me.
Also as I play that note on my own guitar, it sounds to me almost exactly like I hear in Scott's video.
My strings are quite old so I'm not surprised they sound dull. Maybe that's the problem - old strings.

Frank

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Re: The "Thump" when recording...it's everywhere but how to get rid of it?

Post by Paul Janssen » Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:38 pm

I didn't hear any thump so to speak. But what I did hear is three awesome versions of Mild Mountain Thyme, with Matthew McAllister's my favourite of the three.

One thing I did observe is that Scott Tenant appears to play the bass run on the 6th string with rest stroke. Perhaps the guitar reaches its natural compression when he does this which you are then hearing as a thump?

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Re: The "Thump" when recording...it's everywhere but how to get rid of it?

Post by Denian Arcoleo » Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:39 pm

I don't hear any 'thump'. Are you using a different meaning for the word thump than the common one?

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Post by rpavich » Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:51 pm

Denian Arcoleo wrote:
Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:39 pm
I don't hear any 'thump'. Are you using a different meaning for the word thump than the common one?
I don't know. I just thought it was the most descriptive of what I was hearing...that's all.
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Post by rpavich » Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:53 pm

Paul Janssen wrote:
Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:38 pm
I didn't hear any thump so to speak. But what I did hear is three awesome versions of Mild Mountain Thyme, with Matthew McAllister's my favourite of the three.

One thing I did observe is that Scott Tenant appears to play the bass run on the 6th string with rest stroke. Perhaps the guitar reaches its natural compression when he does this which you are then hearing as a thump?
It's possible, I didn't know that there was a natural compression limit on a guitar.

I had a friend also listen and he heard the same thing so at least I'm not crazy!

Did you listen to the first 1 minute of the David Russell video that I also posted in a comment...this has none of this thumping quality.
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Post by ronjazz » Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:59 pm

It may be the built-in limiter on a digital device.
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Post by AndreiKrylov » Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:24 pm

rpavich wrote:
Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:53 pm
Paul Janssen wrote:
Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:38 pm
I didn't hear any thump so to speak. But what I did hear is three awesome versions of Mild Mountain Thyme, with Matthew McAllister's my favourite of the three.

One thing I did observe is that Scott Tenant appears to play the bass run on the 6th string with rest stroke. Perhaps the guitar reaches its natural compression when he does this which you are then hearing as a thump?
It's possible, I didn't know that there was a natural compression limit on a guitar.

I had a friend also listen and he heard the same thing so at least I'm not crazy!

Did you listen to the first 1 minute of the David Russell video that I also posted in a comment...this has none of this thumping quality.
100% your audio system is .. doing it..
what exactly are you using for listening? what kind of device?
on my 100 watt 30 years old amp and cx 5 speakers everything seems to be fine...

how to get rid of it?
- get rid of your audio system...
or.. maybe you have to learn more how to use it..
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