Ha ha - maybe, can't remember if I directly discussed with you personally but I do remember there was a lot of debate at one point on another thread about these suites & their suitability or otherwise on guitar & it was either your good self or another member who made a similar point about the superiority of them on cello compared to guitar. If it wasn't you I apologise!prawnheed wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 12:17 pmThe Quechua language is interesting in the respect that there are two forms of the first person plural. There is an inclusive "we". and an exclusive "we" which does not encompass the person being addressed. I assume you are using the latter.Conall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 8:14 amI think we've had this discussion before.
The guitar will never have the resonance, power or expressive ability of the cello - but at least we can play the chordal movements pretty convincingly (especially the preludes of the 1st & 4th). In my opinion it also helps to play on an extended range guitar in order to play at the original piich or close to it (but Eb major of suite 4 is, predictably, pretty horrible - E is better on guitar if still very difficult. I intend to try it in D on an 11 string).
I am the one to apologise as now you mention it, I do remember. The thread had a somewhat trollish title - “Bach on the guitar causes cancer.” or something like that.Conall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 4:13 pmHa ha - maybe, can't remember if I directly discussed with you personally but I do remember there was a lot of debate at one point on another thread about these suites & their suitability or otherwise on guitar & it was either your good self or another member who made a similar point about the superiority of them on cello compared to guitar. If it wasn't you I apologise!prawnheed wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 12:17 pmThe Quechua language is interesting in the respect that there are two forms of the first person plural. There is an inclusive "we". and an exclusive "we" which does not encompass the person being addressed. I assume you are using the latter.Conall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 8:14 am
I think we've had this discussion before.
The guitar will never have the resonance, power or expressive ability of the cello - but at least we can play the chordal movements pretty convincingly (especially the preludes of the 1st & 4th). In my opinion it also helps to play on an extended range guitar in order to play at the original piich or close to it (but Eb major of suite 4 is, predictably, pretty horrible - E is better on guitar if still very difficult. I intend to try it in D on an 11 string).
Aha! That does ring a bell! Well in (yet another probably repetitive) answer to that bold statement - thankfully it has not caused big C in my case as yet - but in contrast playing Bach on guitar (& a lot less well on piano) has helped to make my live worth living!prawnheed wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 4:31 pmI am the one to apologise as now you mention it, I do remember. The thread had a somewhat trollish title - “Bach on the guitar causes cancer.” or something like that.Conall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 4:13 pmHa ha - maybe, can't remember if I directly discussed with you personally but I do remember there was a lot of debate at one point on another thread about these suites & their suitability or otherwise on guitar & it was either your good self or another member who made a similar point about the superiority of them on cello compared to guitar. If it wasn't you I apologise!
I’m glad you’ve found something rewarding that is, at its worst, harmless to others.Conall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 5:09 pm
Aha! That does ring a bell! Well in (yet another probably repetitive) answer to that bold statement - thankfully it has not caused big C in my case as yet - but in contrast playing Bach on guitar (& a lot less well on piano) has helped to make my live worth living!
I'm not sure my wife would agree that my tortuous attempts at playing Bach's "48" on the piano are harmless....but thanks anyway.prawnheed wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 5:20 pmI’m glad you’ve found something rewarding that is, at its worst, harmless to others.Conall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 5:09 pm
Aha! That does ring a bell! Well in (yet another probably repetitive) answer to that bold statement - thankfully it has not caused big C in my case as yet - but in contrast playing Bach on guitar (& a lot less well on piano) has helped to make my live worth living!
Imagine how boring the world would be if everyone had the same skills and tastes.
Nose flute? Now that would be interesting!Stephen Faulk wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:57 amBut please don't take my word for it. I only studied both instruments, cello and guitar to the level where I can play cello suites on both cello and guitar, so obviously I'm at a disadvantage to those who play the suites on piano, Indonesia nose flutes and guitars.
If anyone is tempted to use this MuseScore transcription of the prelude to the first cello suite beware that there are two bars missing. The transcriber has evidently mistaken bar 34 for bar 36 and missed out the real bar 34 and bar 35.Conall wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:44 pmYes, and one of the easiest way to arrange these suites is to borrow someone else's arrangement & transpose them for free in Musescore! There are sometimes mistakes but there are often some good transcriptions that are no worse than some of the published ones!
https://musescore.com/user/12088996/scores/2901791
Ta - I should have checked.pogmoor wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:44 pmIf anyone is tempted to use this MuseScore transcription of the prelude to the first cello suite beware that there are two bars missing. The transcriber has evidently mistaken bar 34 for bar 36 and missed out the real bar 34 and bar 35.Conall wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:44 pmYes, and one of the easiest way to arrange these suites is to borrow someone else's arrangement & transpose them for free in Musescore! There are sometimes mistakes but there are often some good transcriptions that are no worse than some of the published ones!
https://musescore.com/user/12088996/scores/2901791
The tuning in fifths allows the open strings to ring and support the chord and counter point. For example if you play a d note on the A string the D string resonates. So you say big deal, the same thing happens on the guitar. Yes that is true, but the open strings in fourths tuning don't pick up the resonance points on notes related to the key center or the tonic of a particular chord at the right time. Or support the third or fifth of the chord at the right time. The pedal and over tone support on the guitar for the melodic line and chord tonic is rearranged so much that the piece is changed significantly. It's the natural ways the open strings ring that makes the work enjoyable to play in a way that the guitar arrangements push off center.Conall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:37 pm
The 5ths tuning just makes chords a lot more difficult and it's often much harder to slur consistently (I notice this when I do have to tune from A5th down to G, making a Perfect 5th between G5th and D4th).
I admire your ability to play the suites on both cello & guitar - but is there any point on playing them on guitar if you can play them on cello?
What I have noticed with the 8 string guitar is that the Low C major chord that Bach uses a good deal does indeed "come alive" when playing the suites in the original register - maybe because it's reminiscent of the cello original (if less resonant).
Maybe I'll have to get cello lessons from you.....then we can fight about what type of cello to use!
Right....better get back to that Sarabande....