Slow and Painful

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Slow and Painful

Post by OldPotter » Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:24 pm

I have been looking at Satie's Gymnopedie No 1. The instruction at the beginning says "Lent et Douloureux", its almost as if he knew how I was going to play it. The Google translation is " Slow and Painful"
Is that what he really meant or is there a better word that translates the true meaning into English?
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Re: Slow and Painful

Post by Stephen Kenyon » Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:36 pm

OldPotter wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:24 pm
I have been looking at Satie's Gymnopedie No 1. The instruction at the beginning says "Lent et Douloureux", its almost as if he knew how I was going to play it. The Google translation is " Slow and Painful"
Is that what he really meant or is there a better word that translates the true meaning into English?
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Re: Slow and Painful

Post by OldPotter » Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:54 pm

Thank you Stephen, that does work when I translate back into French too.
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Re: Slow and Painful

Post by edcat7 » Wed Nov 29, 2017 12:43 am

That's funny I'm working on that piece too. I Googled "lent et douloureux" and it said slow and painful...see Gymnopedie No1
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Re: Slow and Painful

Post by DerekB » Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:59 am

My Collins dictionary lists the rarely used word 'dolorous' which it defines as 'painful or sorrowful'.

Among the definitions of 'douloureux' in my Collins-Robert French-English is 'harrowing' but that only applies to my rendition of the piece.
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Re: Slow and Painful

Post by Rasputin » Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:52 am

I've often wondered why the Spanish name Dolores should be so popular when it is cognate with douloureux (douleurs, anyway). Why would you give your daughter a name like that? Anyway, this thread has prompted me to look it up and it turns out to be a reference to Mary of the sorrows, aka the virgin Mary.

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Re: Slow and Painful

Post by msd » Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:21 pm

I'm afraid that your translation accurately describes the way I played this piece when I struggled with it a few years ago. :roll:

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Re: Slow and Painful

Post by simonm » Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:30 pm

Quite a nice piece. Never listened to it before. I really only listened to it to see if I could make some sort of humourous remark about the name. I was pleasantly surprised. Neither of the two versions I listened to suggest "sorrowful" to me. The closest I would say was marginally melancholic. I would quite like to learn it but it is way beyond my skill level.

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Re: Slow and Painful

Post by oski79 » Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:06 pm

"Melancholic" is a better description, in my opinion...
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Re: Slow and Painful

Post by JohnB » Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:58 pm

simonm wrote:
Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:30 pm
Quite a nice piece. Never listened to it before. I really only listened to it to see if I could make some sort of humourous remark about the name. I was pleasantly surprised. Neither of the two versions I listened to suggest "sorrowful" to me. The closest I would say was marginally melancholic. I would quite like to learn it but it is way beyond my skill level.

Have fun with it.
It is a beautiful piece, quietly melancholic as you say.

Do listen to Pascal Rogé's very beautiful performance the piano original on YouTube - perfection (at least it is for me): https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z3f34Ju5LnM
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Re: Slow and Painful

Post by Malcolm » Fri Jan 26, 2018 12:05 am

Christopher Parkening's arrangement says "slowly and mournfully".

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