650 or 630mm? Which is it?

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Re: 650 or 630mm? Which is it?

Post by soltirefa » Sat Oct 28, 2017 12:17 am

Mike Steede wrote:
Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:36 pm
Good points Steve - is there really much of a change in feel going just from 650 to 640? Would you narrow the fingerboard or is it too small a change in scale to bother?
Just a little bit makes a big difference. I think 640 is a good way to go. You get the shorter scale but can have a normal sized body and similar loudness/tone. It's all tradeoffs.

Someone should invent hand extensions that work. That way you wouldn't need to get a shorter scale guitar, you could order bigger hands.

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Re: 650 or 630mm? Which is it?

Post by Steve Ganz » Sat Oct 28, 2017 1:30 am

On some pieces there is a difference. Plus, each player has different playing habits and preferences.
640 is better for me. After practicing a hard piece on a 650, the 640 is noticeable to me.
The piece I'm practicing now (Milonga de Paludes by Reiher) has some difficult stretches. This morning I played it on a 650 and in the afternoon a 640.
The afternoon was slightly easier. The piece starts with stretch on the the bass strings, from fret 6 to 10. That stretch is 1.45 mm shorter on the 640. For me, over the course of that piece, that helps.


I usually keep the fingerboard width the same.
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Re: 650 or 630mm? Which is it?

Post by montana » Sat Oct 28, 2017 5:04 am

Don't narrow the fingerboard....640 with standard spacing

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Re: 650 or 630mm? Which is it?

Post by Michael.N. » Sat Oct 28, 2017 5:47 am

Why not? A narrow fretboard can be of some benefit to certain players. It all depends on hand size or in this case finger thickness. Some people have rather thin dainty fingers. I see absolutely no reason why a 630 mm scale with 48 mm nut width isn't a good idea. Those measurements are fairly standard on romantic guitars anyway, even players with fairly big hands can play on them - as evidenced by many Utube videos.
It's all about fitting the guitar to the player and not some silly generalised notion of what should be. Only the OP can answer the question whether 630/48 would be an advantage.
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Re: 650 or 630mm? Which is it?

Post by Rasputin » Sat Oct 28, 2017 6:23 am

I don't think the width of the fingerboard as such makes all that much difference - the string spacing matters more IMO. With that in mind, how about having a couple of different nuts made up so that you can experiment? I have found that my fingers get quite crowded with narrower string spacing - I hate to imagine commissioning a guitar with a narrow neck and then finding that the strings weren't far enough apart.

There has to be a market for a guitar fitting service on the same lines as the bike fitting services that MAMILs spend so much on.

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Re: 650 or 630mm? Which is it?

Post by Michael.N. » Sat Oct 28, 2017 9:43 am

String spacing is a product of fretboard width though. You can compress at the nut but it is a little harder to do the same at the saddle, unless you go for notches. Perhaps not the OP but some people have very small hands, they need all the help they can get. These are compound stretches, both across and along the fretboard.
I can't be certain but this early Hauser looks to have quite a narrow fretboard (they usually are). May even be under 48 mm's. His hands aren't small either, yet he seems to play cleanly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwVRPhg9exo
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Re: 650 or 630mm? Which is it?

Post by Tomzooki » Mon Oct 30, 2017 6:04 pm

montana wrote:
Sat Oct 28, 2017 5:04 am
Don't narrow the fingerboard....640 with standard spacing
It depends a lot on the left hand of the player. In my case I struggle with the standard 52mm, 54mm is very problematic for me, 50mm is much more playable, 48mm is great... But if you think you may have to sell the guitar in the future it is much more difficult with non-standard dimensions.
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Re: 650 or 630mm? Which is it?

Post by patsorenson » Fri Jan 05, 2018 2:45 pm

I'm a new member. Can someone give me an example of what kind of stretches they find difficult on a 650 scale that are helped by smaller scale, such as the Kenny Hill smaller scale guitars, to help me assess my needs? I have studied off and on and am probably in grade 3-4 level in some areas, but not all. What repertoire pieces and passages, for example, are easier on smaller scale? I started on a 3/4 size in high school, not knowing it was such, and later played full size, except for crossovers with electronics like Cordoba GK Studio. I would like to know if I should seriously look into smaller scale, or keep the guitar I have, an Alhambra 8C. My left hand span measures about 7 inches from tip of thumb to pinky, and about 5 inches from tip of index to pinky. Thanks for any comments!
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Re: 650 or 630mm? Which is it?

Post by celestemcc » Fri Jan 05, 2018 5:41 pm

Just a comment re string spacing... I made a larger leap from a 655 (Ramirez 1a, a beast) to a 640. I'd had the nut of the larger guitar re-cut to shift the spacing toward the high e, just a little, years ago. When I got the 640 2 years ago, the left hand was obviously easier; but the right hand felt very different! My 640 has a standard width fingerboard, but the spacing is still narrower than it was on my old Ramirez. That took some getting used to. So if you're considering a narrower-than-standard fingerboard, keep in mind your right hand may (or may not) feel a difference.

Ultimately I got used to it, though. I'd asked my teacher about a 630 and he thought it was better to get a 640; I think I made the right choice.
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