Any recorder players on here?

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Post by Jeffrey Armbruster » Tue Jan 30, 2018 8:12 pm

Wow, that alto really sounds fine! Maybe I should consider that. I could be happy just playing Bach with small ensembles! I may be kidding myself, but the notion of playing an instrument with no reed and fewer technical problems to overcome (guitar) and a single line of music...just seems like it would be refreshing for a change.
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Post by LarryShone » Tue Jan 30, 2018 8:16 pm

Jeffrey Armbruster wrote:
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Wow, that alto really sounds fine! Maybe I should consider that. I could be happy just playing Bach with small ensembles! I may be kidding myself, but the notion of playing an instrument with no reed and fewer technical problems to overcome (guitar) and a single line of music...just seems like it would be refreshing for a change.
That's why I enjoy it so much. I wanted a single-line instrument, and there's no way I'd be allowed to bring home a violin or cello (oh I wish). I got a clarinet and although I can get tunes out of it its very hit and miss due to that embouchure. Recorder requires no embouchure, just breath control. The fingering is a bit odd when you get to the lower notes (especially the Ab which requires a crossed fingering).
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Post by Adrian Allan » Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:03 pm

I teach guitar students strumming/picking and chords, even if they are taking a classical approach. I play the recorder when they are doing the chords. I recommend that every guitar player learns the recorder. It is relatively easy to play (no blowing technique needed to get a basic tune, unlike flute and all reeds), it is inexpensive and effective. Like all instruments, it is very hard to master, but you can get a tune out of the recorder without too much effort, and I can sight read quite well. Like the guitar, it is better in keys with one flat up to a few sharps.

When you learn to play an instrument where the notes can be sustained (unlike guitar or piano), you learn the beauty of shaping a minim or a semibreve for its entire duration.
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Post by LarryShone » Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:41 pm

Try penny whistle too! I have one in high D (Feadóg), fun little thing
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Re: Any recorder players on here?

Post by Adrian Allan » Tue Jan 30, 2018 10:02 pm

LarryShone wrote:
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Try penny whistle too! I have one in high D (Feadóg), fun little thing
I have a penny whistle as well, and that works for most guitar keys as it in D (but other keys are available).
I also have a low whistle and an Irish flute, plus a traditional flute.

With all of these instruments, there are great similarities in fingering, but the penny whistle lacks the bottom thumb hole, so the higher notes are achieved by overblowing, and not half-holing the thumb hole.
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Post by LarryShone » Tue Jan 30, 2018 10:38 pm

I also got myself an ocarina with birthday money, but I do not play it. Oh it is a fine example of its type, but the fingering is not what I'm used to and despite it being an alto its high notes are very shrill! Makes the ears ring afterwards. You can get mutes for them but they lower it by a semitone and really, what's the point in playing something you have to mute?
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Re: Any recorder players on here?

Post by Jeffrey Armbruster » Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:07 pm

Is there an advantage to having keys (let's say on an alto)? Also: some recorders have two holes in the bottom two positions (one smaller than the other) and others have only one. Possibly for octaves? anyway, any advantages/disadvantages to either? Maybe I should post this on Chipper and Faff...chapper and fiff..whatever.

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Post by Michael.N. » Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:25 pm

Baroque recorder has the double holes, for the semi tones. It's a fully chromatic instrument. Those are delicate notes and requires good breath control. Ones with a single hole are likely to be a renaissance recorder or you have to half hole it.
Keys are to help with reach problems. Not so relevant with the alto but certainly with the tenor.
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Re: Any recorder players on here?

Post by Jeffrey Armbruster » Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:31 pm

Yes but the Renaissance recorders are fully chromatic too, right?
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Post by Michael.N. » Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:34 pm

You have to half hole them though.
She has a whole channel devoted to the recorder.

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Re: Any recorder players on here?

Post by LarryShone » Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:37 pm

Jeffrey Armbruster wrote:
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Yes but the Renaissance recorders are fully chromatic too, right?
Yes. But to get the semitones (D# and C# on a descant) you have to half cover the hole. Which can be tricky. Indeed to get the note Ab on a descant you half cover the B hole.
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Re: Any recorder players on here?

Post by LarryShone » Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:38 pm

Michael.N. wrote:
Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:34 pm
You have to half hole them though.
She has a whole channel devoted to the recorder.

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I subscribed to her a while ago, she is brilliant. And quite mad ;) )
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Re: Any recorder players on here?

Post by LarryShone » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:19 am

I was practising my recorder the other day when Concierto de Aranjuez came into my head so...

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Re: Any recorder players on here?

Post by Jeffrey Armbruster » Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:13 am

When I played a soprano all those years ago I remember that the half covering of holes wasn't that hard.

The only thing stopping me is that my landlord lives upstairs. He never complains about my guitar, which I might play for hours. A recorder may be a bridge too far.

On the other hand, I imagine that it's much easier to play out of doors than a guitar, and there's a pocket park just a block away!
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Re: Any recorder players on here?

Post by ddray » Wed Jan 31, 2018 4:26 am

LarryShone wrote:
Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:37 pm
Jeffrey Armbruster wrote:
Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:31 pm
Yes but the Renaissance recorders are fully chromatic too, right?
Yes. But to get the semitones (D# and C# on a descant) you have to half cover the hole. Which can be tricky. Indeed to get the note Ab on a descant you half cover the B hole.
Well you can use cross-fingerings as well. To play Ab on soprano/tenor cover the thumbhole and also cover 1,2 and 4,5 (or maybe cover 6 as well...recorders sometimes have their individual quirks)

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