Hannabach 815mt - Just wow!

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Re: Hannabach 815mt - Just wow!

Post by zupfgeiger » Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:10 am

Yesterday I fitted my new Giovanni Tacchi Friederich copy with Hannabach 815 on first string and Knobloch carbon on b and g. the combination is amazing on that guitar. Cristall clear trebles on e without being overly bright and piercing. The Knobloch are a definite upgrade compared to the original d'Addario which Giovannie put on. But honestely, even without the best treble strings available this guitar has one of the finest first string I ever played.

Update: I never had any slippery problems with these Hannabach 815 strings.
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Re: Hannabach 815mt - Just wow!

Post by joachim33 » Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:49 am

fraim wrote:
joachim33 wrote: Which Savarez? I just changed from Savarez Alliance trebles to "New Cristal" trebles and find these slippery. Alliance is rougher. I had Hanabach 815 MT (black) before. I found these trebles very high tension but do not remember them being particularly slippery.
i've also just put the "new cristal"---500cr trebles nt. so far i'm not having the same problem of slipperiness. i didn't know that the hb strings would lose that slipperiness the longer they were on. i changed all 6 strings after about 6wks of 2+hrs a day of practicing because the bass strings were sounding very flat. i'll admit that the trebles sounded good still but i was tired of my pinky slipping off.
@robin...thanks for the bit of education in explaining "rectified". i have hb basses on my main guitar & have a full set on my 2nd guitar , which only gets played about 1/3 the time but haven't noticed a problem with the d string. something to remember though.
Interesting. I put on the same Savarez trebles on on Friday and find them slippery - I expect, with a bit of practise I can adjust. To me, they feel more slippery than the Hannabach, so exactly the opposite from you. But as I wrote this is not a direct comparison, since I had a set of Alliances in between.

I changed my Hannabachs (815 MT) after 2 weeks, since the D string was destroyed at the frets (to much pressure). With Savarez Corum basses I cope better (5 weeks). So for now, until I improved my technique (less left hand pressure) I won't buy them again (I still have a new set of 815 LT (green) sitting). As you wrote the Hannabach trebles sound were very nice. But I have issues with their tension. I would call it murderously high for a MT. The Alliance (red) played much easier. Many passages I struggled with Hannabach played reasonably ok with the Alliance trebles. I attributed that to tension, but looking at your input, it might be "slipping".

If you had the Hannabachs 6 weeks I think the process of loosing slipperiness is done. If you still didn't like it, then it is not for you, at least for now, with you current playing technique.

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Re: Hannabach 815mt - Just wow!

Post by joachim33 » Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:56 am

robin loops wrote: About the slipperiness: Doesn't bother me. For future reference, when the strings have a rough matte like finish they are called rectified. Some people have a preference for or against them but I find if I give them time I can get used to either. For some people non rectified can be a little quieter when sliding up or down the string.
I have tried Savarez 520R (recified), 500AR (Alliance) and 510CR (New Cristal) trebles. To the best of my knowledge, the Alliance trebles are not rectified (which means ground into shape). The surface of the rectified 520R trebles is very rough. They squeak a lot when I change position. The Alliance trebles are definitely rougher than the "New Cristal" or D'Addario Nylon trebles but not as rough as the rectified trebles. Alliance do not squeak very much - I would say not at all.

I like the tone of the 520R trebles. I might try another set, once I have improved my technique. To me they are a classic.

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Re: Hannabach 815mt - Just wow!

Post by celestemcc » Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:37 pm

If you like the 815 series, you may just love their 200/900 strings. They cost more, so I treated myself to a few sets from SBM last Friday!
Just tried them -- my luthier also suggested them. WOW. Got the medium/high set, they fall right in between the 815 High and Medium, and a super sound. They *would* have to be that expensive... hope they last long. My teacher loved 'em too.
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Re: Hannabach 815mt - Just wow!

Post by robin loops » Fri Nov 03, 2017 5:06 pm

celestemcc wrote:
Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:37 pm
If you like the 815 series, you may just love their 200/900 strings. They cost more, so I treated myself to a few sets from SBM last Friday!
Just tried them -- my luthier also suggested them. WOW. Got the medium/high set, they fall right in between the 815 High and Medium, and a super sound. They *would* have to be that expensive... hope they last long. My teacher loved 'em too.
I loved them too but I found the basses don't last very long. The trebles on the other hand get better with time and last through several changes of the bass strings. Buying half sets brings down the cost somewhat but I still found the slightly better sound was not worth the extra cost (to me). I also found that in recordings the difference is minimized. I believe the fixed a problem the D's used to have (tore apart at the frets and saddle) but if not, keeping a couple of extra D's on hand is a good idea. In my experience (again it's been a long time and things may have changed) I found about 1 in 3 D strings did this.
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Re: Hannabach 815mt - Just wow!

Post by joachim33 » Fri Jan 26, 2018 1:06 pm

rinneby wrote:
Thu Sep 01, 2016 6:31 pm
Replaced my Savarez 520j with Hannabach 815mt just for fun and wow - I really like these strings. Very easy to play and what a great sound, warm and cosy. A new favorite for sure!

/Jon
Hi Jon,

You wrote that some time ago and I am curious, whether you stuck with Hannabach and still use them (occasionally) or moved on since.

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Re: Hannabach 815mt - Just wow!

Post by soltirefa » Fri Jan 26, 2018 1:58 pm

It's good to be aware of light and super light tension, green and yellow packages. I only use the trebles. Green is a substitute for D'Addario hard tension, yellow a substitute for D'Addario normal tension.

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Hannabach 815 LT (green)

Post by joachim33 » Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:22 am

The deed is done: Yesterday evening, I put the full set of Hannabach 815LT on my instrument. I had them sitting in the closet for a year. New they sound quite a bit different from the Savarez 540CR I had before. I need to see how they open up and whether they last longer than the 815MT I had a year ago. If so, this will tell me a bit on the progress I made regarding reducing fingure pressure. If anything the LT (thinner, lower tension D string) will be more delicate than the MT.

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Re: Hannabach 815mt - Just wow!

Post by rinneby » Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:59 am

joachim33 wrote:
Fri Jan 26, 2018 1:06 pm
Hi Jon,

You wrote that some time ago and I am curious, whether you stuck with Hannabach and still use them (occasionally) or moved on since.

Thanks
Joachim
Right now I'm in the La Bella 2001 - Medium Tension camp ;) - Since they are cheaper than Hannabach and also has lighter tension. Something that I tend to like, lately.

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Re: Hannabach 815mt - Just wow!

Post by joachim33 » Sat Jan 27, 2018 12:16 pm

Hi Jon

Thanks for the reply. I was looking into LaBella recently but found them on a similar price level as Hannabach. I am currently also in a low tension phase -> 815 LT

Where do you get the LaBalla from? I typically get my strings from Germany. The big A ships for free to Sweden if you order 40€ worth (= 3 sets) of stuff. Though they do not ship all of their strings to Sweden. The exotic stuff I have sent to my German relations ...

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Re: Hannabach 815mt - Just wow!

Post by soltirefa » Sat Jan 27, 2018 12:35 pm

Bear in mind that one brand's LT is not necessarily equivalent to another brand's LT. Those Hannabach LT are equivalent to D'Addario Hard tension. So I would not even rely on the labels. Go by the gauge data and also by how they feel under the fingers. I believe in general that La Bella is similar to D'Addario. Hannabach is higher.

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Re: Hannabach 815mt - Just wow!

Post by rinneby » Sat Jan 27, 2018 2:19 pm

joachim33 wrote:
Sat Jan 27, 2018 12:16 pm
Hi Jon

Thanks for the reply. I was looking into LaBella recently but found them on a similar price level as Hannabach. I am currently also in a low tension phase -> 815 LT

Where do you get the LaBalla from? I typically get my strings from Germany. The big A ships for free to Sweden if you order 40€ worth (= 3 sets) of stuff. Though they do not ship all of their strings to Sweden. The exotic stuff I have sent to my German relations ...

Joachim
I order from "The large German online store" - La Bella 2001 - Medium is 87,07 SEK there and 815MT is 145,77 SEK. Keep in mind that the La Bella is much lower tension.

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Re: Hannabach 815mt - Just wow!

Post by joachim33 » Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:46 pm

rinneby wrote:
Sat Jan 27, 2018 2:19 pm

I order from "The large German online store" - La Bella 2001 - Medium is 87,07 SEK there and 815MT is 145,77 SEK. Keep in mind that the La Bella is much lower tension.

/J
Is that the store with a T? If so, I think their shiping charges to Sweden for something as small as strings make ordering from them un-economic. Am I missing something?

I discovered LaBella tension values last week and am aware, that their tensions are extremely low. What the call medium (35kg per set if you correct for their 655mm reference scale) is way below the values I have D*Addario (EJ43) and Savarez (520B) "low tension". I would be inclined to start with medium-high or high, which gets me closer to my usual 38 to 40 kg braket. I know here is quite a few members who like LaBella 2001 and I feel I should give them a try at some point.

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Re: Hannabach 815mt - Just wow!

Post by gabasa » Tue Jan 30, 2018 8:53 pm

I love the 2001 trebles. Very rich sounding.

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