When do YOU decide it's time to change strings?

Choice of classical guitar strings and technical issues connected with their use.
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Adrian Allan
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Re: When do YOU decide it's time to change strings?

Post by Adrian Allan » Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:14 am

astro64 wrote:
Sat Nov 11, 2017 5:52 pm
Adrian Allan wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:10 pm
Can anybody answer the question I hinted at a few posts back?

Do carbon treble strings really wear out - and if they do, do they become less bright in tone?

I'm not really convinced there is much to wear out.
I have never seen them lose intonation or lose brightness. They may get rough on the 1st string, but e.g. a 3rd string carbon on one of my guitars has been on it for years and still sounds fine and intonation is still spot on.
Thank you - that is what I suspected, and reinforces my view that they should be sold in packs of 6:3 basses to trebles, or even a higher ratio for the basses.
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Re: When do YOU decide it's time to change strings?

Post by Rognvald » Sun Nov 12, 2017 3:44 pm

astro64 wrote:
Sat Nov 11, 2017 5:52 pm
Adrian Allan wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:10 pm
Can anybody answer the question I hinted at a few posts back?

Do carbon treble strings really wear out - and if they do, do they become less bright in tone?

I'm not really convinced there is much to wear out.
I have never seen them lose intonation or lose brightness. They may get rough on the 1st string, but e.g. a 3rd string carbon on one of my guitars has been on it for years and still sounds fine and intonation is still spot on.
Astro, How often do you change your bass strings? Playing again . . . Rognvald
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Re: When do YOU decide it's time to change strings?

Post by souldier » Sun Nov 12, 2017 3:51 pm

Adrian Allan wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:10 pm
Can anybody answer the question I hinted at a few posts back?

Do carbon treble strings really wear out - and if they do, do they become less bright in tone?

I'm not really convinced there is much to wear out.
In my experience, both nylon and carbon mellow out and sound better after a week of playing. In time, treble strings, especially the high E string becomes shrill, thin and scratchy sounding. New trebles once broken in will have a bit more fullness and body to them.
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Re: When do YOU decide it's time to change strings?

Post by ddray » Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:26 pm

When one breaks :lol:

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Re: When do YOU decide it's time to change strings?

Post by Pje53 » Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:56 pm

I change my strings when they lose their crisp tone and start to sound a bit muffled.

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Re: When do YOU decide it's time to change strings?

Post by Laudiesdad69 » Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:24 am

Rognvald wrote:
Sat Nov 11, 2017 5:24 pm
"For me, I change them not long after the guitar stays in tune perfectly,in a stand, overnight. " Laudiesdad69


Laudie,
This may not always be a good litmus test since temperature and humidity variations will quickly change the tension on the strings. If you trust this approach, try leaving it in your humidified guitar case overnight where condtions will be somewhat more stable. But remember, always trust your ears! I hope this helps. Playing again . . . Rognvald
Thanks, I will take that into consideration. My case for my Ramirez is a Humicase protege, and it keeps the humidity right about 45 to 50%. The solution for the humidifiers will pull moisture out of the case air if the humidity gets too high. But my humidity in the room is usually between 40 to 50%. So not a whole lot of fluctuation.

By the time that my guitar will stay in tune over night, there usually isn't any noticeable change in the sound that I can detect. Sometimes though the trebles seem to sound dull, and then it's time to change them for sure. And I usually feel like the treble strings start feeling a little more taut. They don't have the pliability that they did after the strings were new and just settled.

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Re: When do YOU decide it's time to change strings?

Post by astro64 » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:45 am

Rognvald wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2017 3:44 pm
astro64 wrote:
Sat Nov 11, 2017 5:52 pm
Adrian Allan wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:10 pm
Can anybody answer the question I hinted at a few posts back?

Do carbon treble strings really wear out - and if they do, do they become less bright in tone?

I'm not really convinced there is much to wear out.
I have never seen them lose intonation or lose brightness. They may get rough on the 1st string, but e.g. a 3rd string carbon on one of my guitars has been on it for years and still sounds fine and intonation is still spot on.
Astro, How often do you change your bass strings? Playing again . . . Rognvald
Sorry I only saw this question now. On the guitar I play most frequently once every two months. But note that I don't play hours a day, probably I average one hour per day. I seem not to corrode strings easily, so they slowly get less bright and start showing some fret wear. The guitar also seems to make a difference, in that a guitar that has good bass definition to begin with and character in the sound keeps that character for longer and still sounds good with older basses.

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Re: When do YOU decide it's time to change strings?

Post by Rognvald » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:59 am

Astro64,
Thanks for the feedback! Playing again . . . Rognvald
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Re: When do YOU decide it's time to change strings?

Post by mando48 » Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:27 am

When they start sounding dull

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Re: When do YOU decide it's time to change strings?

Post by Philosopherguy » Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:40 am

I change my strings when I start to wear out the windings on the bass strings. Usually, they will get indentations in them where I fret and the windings start to separate from the string. If I don't change them I can sharp little points sticking out where the windings split. On the guitars I play frequently, this usually takes 2-3 months. On some guitars, I have strings on them for like 6 months.
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Re: When do YOU decide it's time to change strings?

Post by Laudiesdad69 » Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:20 pm

I also change them when, like today, I have a new set of strings that I haven’t tried before. Today it’s bargain strings. Earnie Ball Clear Nylon - $4.33 a set from FleaBay.

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Re: When do YOU decide it's time to change strings?

Post by bauersachs82 » Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:09 pm

I don't have a certain time frame like some people do. Many times I get frustrated with the tone of a guitar and don't know why. I have learned when that happens, I put new strings on. That usually works for me.

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Re: When do YOU decide it's time to change strings?

Post by SteveL123 » Sat Dec 09, 2017 6:10 pm

A few days ago I changed the D'addario EJ46FF carbon high tension set that's been on for a year! In that year, it has not changed intonation (always spot on), lost any sustain, or became difficult to keep in tune. Pretty impressive. The only thing I noticed is the color of the bass strings has gotten darker and became less noisy in the last few months (got polished by my fingers). I wipe the strings and the guitar down after playing and it goes right back in the case with Humidipaks. Maybe that helps with string life?

The new strings are Savarez 510 MR standard tension. Amazing the difference from the D'addario! Much mellower and not as bright. It took me a while to get used to the Savarez 510 MR and I like it much better now. The EJ46 FF carbon may have been too bright.

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Re: When do YOU decide it's time to change strings?

Post by Laudiesdad69 » Sat Dec 09, 2017 8:25 pm

Latest SBM order just arrived. Time to change strings😆

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Re: When do YOU decide it's time to change strings?

Post by Rognvald » Sun Dec 10, 2017 10:09 pm

I am currently keeping a log for string longevity based on my average of 3 plus hours per day playing time. I play three Cedar guitars in the rotation(a different guitar every day). It is generally about 7 weeks before clarity, intonation and projection issues arise so in translation: roughly 6 hours a week per guitar times 7 weeks= 42 hours = +/- play time. It has given me, I believe, a more intimate knowledge of my instruments and also where to aurally look on each guitar as the strings degrade. As a side note, I generally play more aggressively than most CG players and it is possible it might have some effect on the strings versus a less aggressive player. I'll post some results after my next string change. Playing again . . . Rognvald
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