Comparing string tensions

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Re: Comparing string tensions

Post by guitarrista » Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:31 pm

astro64 wrote:
Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:26 pm
guitarrista wrote:
Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:58 am

Also you have to separately multiply Hannabach's tension by 1.09716 to convert them to the same units of kg force as the others. (that's the same as dividing them by 0.980665 as suggested above).
Typo? Dividing by 0.980665 is equivalent to multiplying by 1.0197.
DOH!- missed the '1' before the '9'. - corrected now. Thanks!
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Re: Comparing string tensions

Post by guitarrista » Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:39 pm

joachim33 wrote:
Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:06 pm
One has to be careful with Savarez data.
I also look at the quoted string diameters - sometimes that could resolve whether it is an actual difference in tension or likely just a typo - if the strings have the same diameters and material but are quoted different tensions, that is an indication of a typo.
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Re: Comparing string tensions

Post by joachim33 » Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:52 pm

guitarrista wrote:
Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:39 pm
joachim33 wrote:
Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:06 pm
One has to be careful with Savarez data.
I also look at the quoted string diameters - sometimes that could resolve whether it is an actual difference in tension or likely just a typo - if the strings have the same diameters and material but are quoted different tensions, that is an indication of a typo.
Konstantin you just lost me. Whether you buy Savarez sets New Cristal Classic 540CR, New Cristal Corum 500CR or New Cristal Corum 510 CR, you get the same trebles 501CR, 502CR and 503CR. I have the packages in front of me. The difference is, Corum doesn’t have diameters and tension on the package of the set, the other two have. The same string can’t have so dramatically different values as the Savarez website quotes, unless their consistency is all over the place.

I assume I just missed what you were trying to say.

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Re: Comparing string tensions

Post by guitarrista » Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:26 am

joachim33 wrote:
Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:52 pm
guitarrista wrote:
Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:39 pm
joachim33 wrote:
Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:06 pm
One has to be careful with Savarez data.
I also look at the quoted string diameters - sometimes that could resolve whether it is an actual difference in tension or likely just a typo - if the strings have the same diameters and material but are quoted different tensions, that is an indication of a typo.
Konstantin you just lost me. Whether you buy Savarez sets New Cristal Classic 540CR, New Cristal Corum 500CR or New Cristal Corum 510 CR, you get the same trebles 501CR, 502CR and 503CR. I have the packages in front of me. The difference is, Corum doesn’t have diameters and tension on the package of the set, the other two have. The same string can’t have so dramatically different values as the Savarez website quotes, unless their consistency is all over the place.

I assume I just missed what you were trying to say.
Right, so in that case I would assume there is a typo and go with whatever tension is quoted on the sets that also have diameter info.
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Re: Comparing string tensions

Post by joachim33 » Mon Jan 15, 2018 7:50 am

guitarrista wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:26 am

Right, so in that case I would assume there is a typo and go with whatever tension is quoted on the sets that also have diameter info.
It is not so easy. They put diameters in all places. The diameters are the same on their website for the Corum 500CR trebles and for the Corum 510CR and the Classic 540CR trebles. Just that the packs (and Cantiga web tables) have lowere tension figures.

The situation around high tension trebles and Alliance trebles is very similar.

For the HT classic basses (540 line) it seems the changed the diameters of the 5A and 6E strings.

I am inclined to believe the Cantiga figures since these are their newest strings. For Corum 500 AJ (Corum Alliance high tension) they quote figures on their website that are compatible to Corum 510 AJ. Based on that I believe their current Corum red basses to have similar tension to the HT and Cantiga basses and that the higher figures one finds in various places relate to old products not sold any longer (or they changed the way they measure things).

Savarez tension figures are a mess. This was discussed here before. I hope they clarify that at some point.

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Re: Comparing string tensions

Post by joachim33 » Mon Jan 15, 2018 7:53 am

One addition: there are no tension figures on the New Cristal Corum 500CR pack, which I just bought.

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Re: Comparing string tensions

Post by Zen » Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:44 pm

Thanks for the fantastic charts!
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Re: Comparing string tensions

Post by guitarrista » Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:06 pm

Oh yeah, I remember now! I might have even participated in that Savarez thread :-)
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