Changed to Savarez

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Argent
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Changed to Savarez

Post by Argent » Wed Dec 19, 2018 10:44 am

Yesterday I put Savarez Alliance Corum Normal Tension on my guitar after having used daddario Hard tension for almost ten years!!

The guitar sounds fantastic and much clearer. When I first got the guitar it had Savarez on it but my teacher at the Conservatoire said Savarez trebles are too thin so I changed.


What are other people’s thoughts on Savarez having thinner trebles??

I feel that unless you have sorted your tone out they could be capable of producing a very harsh and thin sound.

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Re: Changed to Savarez

Post by tormodg » Wed Dec 19, 2018 10:56 am

The sound of the trebles will of course depend on which kind of strings you choose.

I am a big fan of the Savarez Corum strings, but I ended up going back to nylon again (I like the Corum Cristals and also the good old 540 classic HT). It goes back and forth in waves for me depending on personal preference and "feel". :)
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Re: Changed to Savarez

Post by joachim33 » Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:47 pm

Hi Argent,

First of all, you should allow the strings to develop, before passing any judgement. One frequently reads, that in particular the Alliance trebles need time (up to 2 weeks) to achieve their final sound.

As far as trebles go, Savarez has 4 major product lines:
  1. Cristal,product code 570
  2. New Cristal, product code 500
  3. Retified, product code 520
  4. Alliance, product code 540
which they sell in 2 or 3 different tensions (letters: B, R, J)

The Alliance trebles are so called carbon strings, which are the only ones that are thinner. The others are more or less traditional nylon with traditional gauges.

I think there are 5 different lines of bass strings, though not fully sure, the basses in the 570 and 520 lines might or might not be the same. Concerning Savarez sets, for a number of these bass strings, one has a choice of multiple treble strings (e.g. Alliance or New Cristal), which explains the large number of string sets one can order from Savarez. The product code of a set typically refers to the bass strings and the trebles are identified by a letter (A=Alliance, C=New Cristal). Since this query seems to be about treble strings I am not going into further details.

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Re: Changed to Savarez

Post by georgemarousi » Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:59 pm

these trebles sounded too bright an metallic for me

I suggest you give a try to daddario carbon trebles and to paulino bernabe strings, brighter than nylons but sweeter than savarez.

ps. string type/brand its always a multi-factor situation along with guitar, player nails/style of play etc.. so try as many combos as you can for each guitar ! :D
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Re: Changed to Savarez

Post by riffmeister » Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:06 pm

Argent wrote:
Wed Dec 19, 2018 10:44 am
Yesterday I put Savarez Alliance Corum Normal Tension on my guitar after having used daddario Hard tension for almost ten years!! The guitar sounds fantastic and much clearer.....
Yes, you are hearing the difference between regular nylon and fluorocarbon (aka 'carbon') treble strings. Some people love carbon strings, some hate them, and some people used mixed sets (typically with a carbon 3rd string to improve clarity of that string played up the neck).

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Re: Changed to Savarez

Post by ivan » Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:16 pm

If you really like the power and responsiveness of carbon trebles, but still want some sweetness of nylon, try Knobloch Carbon CX. This is the best carbon string i have tried so far.

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Re: Changed to Savarez

Post by vesa » Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:40 pm

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Wrong place - move to classical guitar strings
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Re: Changed to Savarez

Post by pogmoor » Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:00 pm

vesa wrote:
Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:40 pm
Mods
Wrong place - move to classical guitar strings
Moved :)
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Re: Changed to Savarez

Post by Christopher Langley » Wed Dec 19, 2018 5:39 pm

I enjoy their rectified strings.

Not my first choice. But lovely nonetheless.

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Re: Changed to Savarez

Post by MessyTendon » Sat Dec 29, 2018 8:31 pm

Rejoice...you are free from the Pro Arte tyranny...god what awful strings...

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Re: Changed to Savarez

Post by zupfgeiger » Sat Dec 29, 2018 8:49 pm

ivan wrote:
Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:16 pm
If you really like the power and responsiveness of carbon trebles, but still want some sweetness of nylon, try Knobloch Carbon CX. This is the best carbon string i have tried so far.
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Re: Changed to Savarez

Post by Leo » Sat Dec 29, 2018 9:54 pm

MessyTendon wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 8:31 pm
Rejoice...you are free from the Pro Arte tyranny...god what awful strings...
Yes, life after Pro Arte :)
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Re: Changed to Savarez

Post by JLV » Tue Jan 01, 2019 9:35 pm

Hi,

I used Savarez Corum, then Cantiga and now Cantinga Premium blue (HT) with alliance blue for years now.
Every time I tried other brands, the strings last less than a day on my guitar...

For me the best strings money can buy.
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Re: Changed to Savarez

Post by Dirck Nagy » Wed Jan 02, 2019 3:02 am

Argent wrote:
Wed Dec 19, 2018 10:44 am
...

What are other people’s thoughts on Savarez having thinner trebles??
...
Hi Argent

I have been using Savarez Alliance trebles for 20 years. I like them. They are very durable and I have never had a bad string from this set. The thinness was a little weird at first, but I dont even notice it now.

I prefer a brighter sound anyway.

Some guitarists I know hate them, though! Well, you cant please everybody...

cheers!
dirck

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Re: Changed to Savarez

Post by Chuah Hui Hsien » Wed Jan 02, 2019 3:25 am

After viewing your positive comments, I am thinking to switch back to Savarez Cristal Hard Tension.

I have tried various brands.Nothing sounds right than this original set that my luthier put on.Maybe my guitar has been set up to accomodate the nylon string tension of Savarez.

I tried before the Cantiga/Alliance hard, but the tension is too much for my hands.
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