Are You a Slave to the Score?

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Re: Are You a Slave to the Score?

Post by Jeffrey Armbruster » Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:37 pm

I think that RaajShinde's point is that eugenics and even today's alt-right notions on race claim to be science based, even though actual science doesn't bear out those claims. The human genome project disappointed the believers in strict genetic determination--all nature, no nurture--because it turns out that there simply aren't enough genes in any individual to make that work.
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Re: Are You a Slave to the Score?

Post by pogmoor » Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:41 pm

Jeffrey Armbruster wrote:
Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:37 pm
I think that RaajShinde's point is that eugenics and even today's alt-right notions on race claim to be science based, even though actual science doesn't bear out those claims...
This discussion is getting off the point and straying close to political topics. Remember these are forbidden!
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Re: Are You a Slave to the Score?

Post by RaajShinde » Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:00 pm

pogmoor wrote:
Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:41 pm
Jeffrey Armbruster wrote:
Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:37 pm
I think that RaajShinde's point is that eugenics and even today's alt-right notions on race claim to be science based, even though actual science doesn't bear out those claims...
This discussion is getting off the point and straying close to political topics. Remember these are forbidden!
Hi Eric,

Thanks for the reminder! In this day and age it is very easy to get into discussions on politics. However, it was not my intent to go there. I was just trying to make the point that connecting higher cerebral function, if I might call it that, to our genes is a dangerous idea that can lead to terrible consequences, if taken too far. I thought one of the argument in this thread, that creativity is a function of genetic heritage is not an idea that, to the best of my knowledge, has support in any scientific basis. I could be wrong and am happy to be educated if so.

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Re: Are You a Slave to the Score?

Post by AndreiKrylov » Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:31 pm

RaajShinde wrote:
Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:00 pm
pogmoor wrote:
Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:41 pm
Jeffrey Armbruster wrote:
Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:37 pm
I think that RaajShinde's point is that eugenics and even today's alt-right notions on race claim to be science based, even though actual science doesn't bear out those claims...
This discussion is getting off the point and straying close to political topics. Remember these are forbidden!
Hi Eric,

Thanks for the reminder! In this day and age it is very easy to get into discussions on politics. However, it was not my intent to go there. I was just trying to make the point that connecting higher cerebral function, if I might call it that, to our genes is a dangerous idea that can lead to terrible consequences, if taken too far. I thought one of the argument in this thread, that creativity is a function of genetic heritage is not an idea that, to the best of my knowledge, has support in any scientific basis. I could be wrong and am happy to be educated if so.

Cheers!
"creativity is more than likely a function of consciousness and that consciousness is perhaps shaped by environmental stimuli"
Wu wei ... - isn't it achieving something without effort? naturally?
but could one achieve something naturally if it is not inside of him already?
if the best way to achieving something - is doing nothing and effortlessly, then how one who agree with it could claim that to achieve something one could consciously, therefore rationally, therefore applying efforts, work to achieve it?
how one could achieve something when all "environment" totally against him?
and shouldn't two things come together for?
rational and irrational?
hard. conscious, rational work and sub conscious inspiration and creativity?
could one obtain irrational by rational means?
by doing nothing?
or maybe we have to give creativity naturally come through and we will just record it, rather than trying rationally achieve it? :)
just wondering...
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Re: Are You a Slave to the Score?

Post by JRomano » Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:59 pm

I actually just stumbled on this today, but here is a player who wasn't a slave to the score...Lenny Breau:
https://youtu.be/ZzaSBfe1-OQ

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Re: Are You a Slave to the Score?

Post by AndreiKrylov » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:06 pm

JRomano wrote:
Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:59 pm
I actually just stumbled on this today, but here is a player who wasn't a slave to the score...Lenny Breau:
https://youtu.be/ZzaSBfe1-OQ
great player!
great jazz impro!
surely he is not slave of score!...

in this case he completely ignored it :)
he used only one short melodic phrases to start his impro, which is by itself nice but, has no connection with original
and essence of Bach piece here in many other things
Polyphony for example...
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Re: Are You a Slave to the Score?

Post by Lawler » Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:11 pm

Is a Shakespearean actor a slave to the script? ...and somehow lacking because they don't add new lines?

Is a standup comic lacking because they're improvising?

Of course not.
It's other things that matter in a performance.

Should classical guitarists know how to improvise? Yes.

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Re: Are You a Slave to the Score?

Post by ameriken » Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:24 pm

Is this what we're talking about when we say not to be a slave to the score?

Asturias- Like You've Never Heard

https://youtu.be/Veu-p0NqMec
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Re: Are You a Slave to the Score?

Post by Lawler » Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:12 am

Regarding creativity and written composition, this is a good listen. http://youtube.com/watch?v=ccfrLZu3ikA It's a vid. I suggest you turn off the picture and just listen.

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Re: Are You a Slave to the Score?

Post by RaajShinde » Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:24 am

ameriken wrote:
Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:24 pm
Is this what we're talking about when we say not to be a slave to the score?

Asturias- Like You've Never Heard

https://youtu.be/Veu-p0NqMec
Well, I'll just say this - Mr. Carter ain't Alan Parsons, that is for sure! :D

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Re: Are You a Slave to the Score?

Post by AndreiKrylov » Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:28 am

Lawler wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:12 am
Regarding creativity and written composition, this is a good listen. http://youtube.com/watch?v=ccfrLZu3ikA It's a vid. I suggest you turn off the picture and just listen.
picture was good too! :)
I amazed what pictures someone could see in music [media]https://youtu.be/jVrxuuNwDAs[/media]
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Re: Are You a Slave to the Score?

Post by AndreiKrylov » Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:32 am

ameriken wrote:
Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:24 pm
Is this what we're talking about when we say not to be a slave to the score?

Asturias- Like You've Never Heard

https://youtu.be/Veu-p0NqMec
nice!
but ..how to make drums a bit more quiet?
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Re: Are You a Slave to the Score?

Post by Smudger5150 » Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:49 am

Lawler wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:12 am
Regarding creativity and written composition, this is a good listen. http://youtube.com/watch?v=ccfrLZu3ikA It's a vid. I suggest you turn off the picture and just listen.
From the delcamp member Aitua. Very entertaining! She has a refreshingly different approach to some of her videos.
Reminds me that I must have a go at one of her compositions sometime soon.
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Re: Are You a Slave to the Score?

Post by Lawler » Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:53 am

She's brilliant.
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Re: Are You a Slave to the Score?

Post by Lawler » Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:55 am

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