A result then... thank you feet
Rognvald wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:36 pm
Mark Clifton-Gaultier wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:02 am
MartinCogg wrote:As judged by your own estimation of course.
Lol Martin. With that attitude you wouldn't have fared well under R's masterful tutelage back in the day when education was "proper". You'll be giving us Brits a bad name - I thought that was my
Love the humor, Mark! However, let me share something that is relevant to this discussion. As a young boy in the 60's, I wanted to play the guitar. I took lessons for a couple months and decided I was a better musician than my teacher--Bill Cochan, a seasoned, working Jazz guitarist in Chicago. Two years later, I took lessons on the saxophone, my dream instrument, and after a couple of months decided I was better than my teacher who was also a working Jazzer. I started playing locally while still in my early teens in a variety of "bands" and never failed to get a job after an audition. My downfall was really that I had very good ears and could play anything after hearing it a couple times ,ergo, my success early on. In my twenties, I had established a good reputation as an R and B sax player with the ability to improvise and burn up the horn. I thought life was bliss. Then, one day I got a call from a friend who said the top R and B group in Chicago who toured across the country(Baby Huey and the Babysitters) needed a tenor player. I went to the audition and there were about 10 sax players waiting and two on the stage playing. After six more had played, it was my turn and they wanted to do a Wilson Pickett song "Funky Broadway" and play a solo. After we finished the song, Baby Huey--the huge 350-pound black leader of the band said, "that's my horn player!" And, then it fell apart. He brought out a book of charts for his first show and wanted to rehearse. It was a James Brown song "I Got You" with their own special arrangement and he said "one, two, three" . . . and I stood numbly on the stage. I couldn't read music and I didn't get the job. That was my wakeup call and I decided ,then, I would become a serious musician. So, when I speak about the necessity for a solid foundation in Music, it comes with a true story that since then has changed my musical life. Here's those old R and B Classics. Playing again . . . Rognvald
check out the short sax solo
best horn section ever in R and B!
And here's Baby Huey: https://youtu.be/IF6RaCLO7n0
Well Rognvald, I listened, all the way through - I particularly enjoyed the vocal delivery in the third (Baby Huey)
at points approx 2 mins, 3 mins 50 secs, and 8 mins 55 secs...
I actually spend plenty of my (listening) time listening to music that I don't necessarily like
as much as I do to music that I do like, and 'jazz' is often being broadcast when I turn on my radio in the
kitchen whilst cooking etc. (BBC radio 3) - constantly exploring music that I've never heard before,
I listen to a LOT of music while I paint.
Thank you for enlightening me as to your musical background, if indirectly -
Myself, too, I was a child in the 60's who wanted to the play guitar (living in Co.Cork, Eire, as it happens)
but my early exposure to music was pretty much all classical (I heard some Beatles' songs - absolutely
no Jazz whatsoever, not even noticing it ever anywhere as background music... the first closest thing with
Jazz-like sounds I ever listened to was King Crimson, 'In the Court of...'). The first LP I ever bought was guitar,
Sabicas, and the second, guitar, Julian Bream... totally spellbound by it - meanwhile, still, general musical exposure
was mostly classical... (every day at school). Come 13/14 I was lucky enough to find myself at a school with a truly
fine, highly qualified music teacher who taught all sorts of (classical) instruments who had taken up the classical
guitar as well, just in order to teach it at the school, so, more music teacher than guitarist - and finally my parents
agreed to me taking music lessons... Unfortunately, after about 18 months of that my parents upped and changed
country of residence (again) and there ended what was my
proper start in music (I won the junior music prize
during the 1st year : ).
Fortunately, by then I'd learned to read music and therefore proceeded with my study of the classical
guitar without a music teacher...
Later, instead of Music School, I found myself studying 3D Design... but that wasn't quite Art enough
Anyway, all very boring here I'm sure, even without an 'in comparison to your own background',
in view of which, I'll forget about your 'collateral' paragraph with it's references to Art, and
I suppose you consider/ed my question to be not worth bothering to answer, but it wasn't
without a point, and it was intending to go somewhere... useful, I thought/think.
I'm still wondering about the extent of theory required relative to playing CG repertoire,
and perhaps I'll find an answer for myself by asking certain questions of you. The 'in your
estimation' wasn't any sort of dig - just being precise about what I'd like to know -
some things being equal, in that you're all playing from the same score, classical guitar music,
these theoryless players, did/do you think they manage/d to deliver according to the score,