Hi Lorette.Lorette wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:39 pmHi Sebastian,
I was trained in the traditional seating position for classical guitar and rested my guitar on the left leg for many years. However, lately I find that my back aches after a while, so I cross my right leg over the left leg and rest the guitar on the right leg. This allows me to sit further back against the back of the chair thus supporting it. So, now I change position from time to time during a practice session.
I find no difficulty at all playing in the higher positions.
ronjazz wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:37 pmFlamenco players will rest the guitar on the right leg, crossed over their left, and a very small handful of classical players. the classical techniques are very demanding, and the classical position with footstool, strap or ergonomic device places the guitar at its most advantageous position for both hands, generally speaking. many steel-string players use larger guitars and the classical position is uncomfortable because of that difference in size. you are the only one who can determine which is better, though, because everybody's physiology is different.
I once met a flamenco teacher and asked him about the position, he just replied with "it's just the way we play".ronjazz wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:50 pmSebastian: the guitar is profoundly unergonomic, so anatomical considerations are difficult to take into account. flamenco guitarists move more than classical players, because they have to follow the dancers, and this is part of the reason they position the guitar the way they do. there is also a certain psychology involved: I tend to play classical repertoire with a footstool and classical position (reaching higher positions is much easier, and it's more stable), I play flamenco a la Paco de Lucia position, as well as jazz, as it tends to appear and feel less "formal". I also utilize a strap for jazz and pop music gigs in order to stand for better stage presence or to be able to lead my group more effectively. As far as I am concerned, each player needs to find his or her own comfort zone. While the footstool does, indeed, cause back problems for many, I have never suffered that result, fortunately, but I tend to adopt different positions while practicing so that I won't develop back problems. As to why other players do what they do, you'll have to consult them, I should think.
I play both classical and flamenco and use the same position for both - footstool under my right leg; guitar on my right thigh with the right leg directly in front of me; the other leg to the side at an angle; the neck angle is a bit flatter compared to typical classical guitar neck angle.Sebastian wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:17 pm
Maybe the most correct question would be, why some guitarist who studied classical still prefer playing with the guitar resting on their right leg instead of the left leg?
Doesn't that compromise the left hand when trying to reach higher positions? In those videos they don't but they have others where they do reach high positions and still use the right leg posture. Also isn't the right perjudicated too with that angle? And the guitar is more unstable? What anatomical reasons are to prefer the other one to the classical one?
Ah maybe, but do all flamenco music pieces have to include dancers and singers.? I've seen some some interpretations of instrumental flamenco (soloist and duet, and then the duet with other people literally only palming as in an ensemble) without dancers and singing. I'm saying that foot tapping could be or is implemented in some genres (not necessarily flamenco) and that would be one of the causes of the left leg posture.
A flamenco guitarist is more likely to tap a rhythmic pattern with his/her foot when doing solo work. That said, doing so is not easy.Sebastian wrote: ↑Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:40 amAh maybe, but do all flamenco music pieces have to include dancers and singers.? I've seen some some interpretations of instrumental flamenco (soloist and duet [...]
Could you explain the 'why' of this in more detail? I've heard it stated several times and it is not self-evident to me. I mean, I was surprised myself how comfortable it was to adopt the right leg posture I described, and I don't feel any limitations (also I am working on a few Paco pieces so it is not like I do not encounter challenging left hand work). Are you taking into account that in that posture, unlike the classical posture, the line of the strings is not parallel to a line from left to right through the guitarist's body, so the guitar head is farther away than the lower bout in that plane? Asking because I could imagine that it would be awkward for the left hand if the guitar was as parallel to the body in that plane as it is in the classical posture.
I specifically looked for an 'ideal" posture so the comparison is fair. BTW interesting point about the weight distribution being more symmetric in the classical posture. That is certainly true and I can see why in the more static (more than flamenco) classical setup this is important.