Steve Howe. Mood for a day or The ancient ??

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Re: Steve Howe. Mood for a day or The ancient ??

Post by Mark Clifton-Gaultier » Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:58 pm

ronjazz wrote:Mostly this forum is about classical guitar. Not always, I see.
You've taken a very odd position on this - I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at ...
Rick Beauregard wrote:It was Steve Howe's Mood that first introduced me to classical/flamenco style guitar.
... how is the above not about classical guitar?

And this ...
ronjazz wrote:2nd-grade stuff, for the most part. Waste of time.
... even if it is 2nd grade stuff (questionable) surely it can't be a waste of time for those working through that grade in order to progress to the next?

I'll grant you that SH is not a very good nylon-string practitioner by any stretch but his pieces are fun to play, and they certainly go down well with the audience (in my experience).

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Re: Steve Howe. Mood for a day or The ancient ??

Post by UKsteve » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:29 pm

Talking to a pal yesterday about exactly this Lazarus thread:
We both agreed that when we were teenagers, listening to "Mood for a Day" was an unexpected and apparently virtuosic interlude between the typical Yes tracks on Fragile, and opened our ears to what could be done with some wood and nylon. Fantastic stuff.

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Re: Steve Howe. Mood for a day or The ancient ??

Post by ronjazz » Tue Jan 17, 2017 2:30 pm

Well, I started classical guitar studies before Howe wrote and recorded his little pieces, so I was not as easily impressed. Sorry, Villa-Lobos has nothing to fear. Listening to "Mood For A Day" showed me how easily impressed rock fans were.
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Re: Steve Howe. Mood for a day or The ancient ??

Post by Mark Clifton-Gaultier » Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:40 pm

UKsteve wrote: listening to "Mood for a Day" was an unexpected and apparently virtuosic interlude between the typical Yes tracks on Fragile, and opened our ears to what could be done with some wood and nylon. Fantastic stuff.
ronjazz wrote:Well, I started classical guitar studies before Howe wrote and recorded his little pieces, so I was not as easily impressed. Sorry, Villa-Lobos has nothing to fear. Listening to "Mood For A Day" showed me how easily impressed rock fans were.
Ha ha. Wow - you're a harsh critic ronjazz.

Still, I don't suppose SH is worried. As for me (not that anyone asked)? Well - I play everything Villa-Lobos wrote for the guitar and more, but I'll still slip "Mood for a Day" or "Clap" into my programme when the occasion suits (I play them better than SH so who knows - even someone with your high quality threshold might enjoy them).

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Re: Steve Howe. Mood for a day or The ancient ??

Post by Rick Beauregard » Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:59 pm

Mark Clifton-Gaultier wrote:
UKsteve wrote: listening to "Mood for a Day" was an unexpected and apparently virtuosic interlude between the typical Yes tracks on Fragile, and opened our ears to what could be done with some wood and nylon. Fantastic stuff.
ronjazz wrote:Well, I started classical guitar studies before Howe wrote and recorded his little pieces, so I was not as easily impressed. Sorry, Villa-Lobos has nothing to fear. Listening to "Mood For A Day" showed me how easily impressed rock fans were.
Ha ha. Wow - you're a harsh critic ronjazz.

Still, I don't suppose SH is worried. As for me (not that anyone asked)? Well - I play everything Villa-Lobos wrote for the guitar and more, but I'll still slip "Mood for a Day" or "Clap" into my programme when the occasion suits (I play them better than SH so who knows - even someone with your high quality threshold might enjoy them).
And fortunate too ronjazz. I suspect many of us were more influenced at a young age by pop and what was cool at the time among our peers. Quality wasn't a big factor. Radio play time was more important in what we listened to. And Villa Lobos didn't get much playing time in New Hampshire. It just wasn't cool. Seems to me, however one came to this music and this site is valid. It's interesting to hear how many others were influenced by SH.

By the way, you should listen to some Yes sometime.
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Re: Steve Howe. Mood for a day or The ancient ??

Post by Philosopherguy » Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:54 am

Steve Howe was never a technical master of the guitar, but he wrote some catchy tunes and was always on some sort of "cutting edge" among the mainstream guitarists. I think some of his stuff is very melodic and memorable. Things don't need to be technically advanced to make an impression and be good music.

Some of these reply's are why I never liked to hang around too many musicians/guitarists. There is always "that guy" around who just believes that if it doesn't suit his tastes or what he/she is listening to at that time, then it's garbage.

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Re: Steve Howe. Mood for a day or The ancient ??

Post by 2handband » Wed Jan 18, 2017 1:02 pm

Look, ronjazz... no these are not examples of brilliant composition. But honestly I'll take em over a lot of carulli's etudes and really that's not even the point. They were intended as lightweight interludes on the yes albums. Black Sabbath used to do the same thing back then; something fluffy and acoustic to make the heavy number that followed seem even heavier. And it gets the people listening to it interested in expanding their horizons.

Look at Taylor swift. I can't stand her but she has done more for guitar instructors than anybody since EVH. Just when the internet is stealing all of the teenage boys that used to be the backbone of our business, suddenly our studios have been flooded with 12 year old girls wielding acoustic guitars... and these girls tend to be much more open to expanding their horizons than the boys are.

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Re: Steve Howe. Mood for a day or The ancient ??

Post by GJW » Wed Jan 18, 2017 1:05 pm

Philosopherguy wrote:Steve Howe was never a technical master of the guitar, but he wrote some catchy tunes and was always on some sort of "cutting edge" among the mainstream guitarists. I think some of his stuff is very melodic and memorable. Things don't need to be technically advanced to make an impression and be good music.

Some of these reply's are why I never liked to hang around too many musicians/guitarists. There is always "that guy" around who just believes that if it doesn't suit his tastes or what he/she is listening to at that time, then it's garbage.

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Perfectly put sir, SH was always in the top ten guitarists in Melody Maker in the early 70's...
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Re: Steve Howe. Mood for a day or The ancient ??

Post by riffmeister » Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:40 pm

Philosopherguy wrote:Things don't need to be technically advanced to make an impression and be good music.
What a concept! ;)

And, I agree.

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Re: Steve Howe. Mood for a day or The ancient ??

Post by ronjazz » Thu Jan 19, 2017 9:11 pm

"Mood For A Day" has little to do with Yes, which is a band I enjoyed, by the way.

I don't play Carulli, but Aguado, Sor and Giuliani wrote very good music.

I have played through "Mood For A Day", and found it completely uninspiring and pedestrian. My audiences deserve better.
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Re: Steve Howe. Mood for a day or The ancient ??

Post by Portland Bill » Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:55 am

ronjazz wrote:Mostly this forum is about classical guitar. Not always, I see.
How is it not classical guitar, he plays it on one, does it only qualify if the music is composed by a "Classical" composer ?
I wouldn't agree that its second rate, its way below that but it doesn't stop it from being an absolutely cracking piece along with compositions like Classical Gas that for many, myself included was one of the stepping stones in to the world of the truly great composers we all know and love today, I'm forever thankful to the likes of Steve Howe, Jan Akkerman and Mason Williams.

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Re: Steve Howe. Mood for a day or The ancient ??

Post by Portland Bill » Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:05 pm

ronjazz wrote:Well, I started classical guitar studies before Howe wrote and recorded his little pieces, so I was not as easily impressed. Sorry, Villa-Lobos has nothing to fear. Listening to "Mood For A Day" showed me how easily impressed rock fans were.

Can't find Villa Lobos I'm afraid. https://www.discogs.com/lists/The-50-Gr ... osers/1571

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Re: Steve Howe. Mood for a day or The ancient ??

Post by GJW » Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:12 pm

I wouldn't waste your time on it Bill, wish I'd never mentioned it.... :roll:
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Re: Steve Howe. Mood for a day or The ancient ??

Post by Petemayo » Mon Dec 25, 2017 8:25 pm

Don't forget "Surface Tension". One of my favorites

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Re: Steve Howe. Mood for a day or The ancient ??

Post by Petemayo » Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:26 am

BTW: I can play Mood For A Day but it is sloppy. At least it seems ot me. And it seems to me I play many things sloppy no matter how much I practice. I have concluded that I simply lack talent. So be it. I still enjoy playing so much.

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