Back pain

Ergonomics and Posture for Classical Guitarists, Aches and Pains, Injuries, etc...
AndreiKrylov

Re: Back pain

Post by AndreiKrylov » Tue Oct 17, 2017 9:32 pm

znerken wrote:
Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:11 pm
Hey everyone. I was hoping I could get some tips. I am experiencing upper back pain, which I am not quite able to locate 100%. It hurts when I breath, and I can feel that the source of the pain is the guitar. As soon as I pick up the guitar, I noticing the pain gradually approaching. After a short while I have to put the guitar away, as the pain is too much. The pain is located on the right side, and I believe somewhere around the middle right side, almost as high as shoulders.

I have tried trigger points with a ball, foam rolling, stretches and sling training. I even tried a break longer than one week several times, one with NSAID. Nothing helps. What to do?

PS:

I will visit a PT tomorrow, perhaps he can say something, but I highly doubt it.

PSS: I play with my legs crossed, and the guitar on my right leg. However, I have tried playing with it on the left leg and with a footstool. Didn't help.
Please try to play with strap, standing. In free moving position . Try do not look on the neck\fretboard while playing. Exercise (with caution according to physician advice) go to yoga... if you are in the good shape - then stretch'lift yourself on a bar, do chinups etc.

manhhung
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Re: Back pain

Post by manhhung » Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:43 am

Are you sure it is the guitar? May be see a doctor to make sure it is not your heart,lungs or spine. If it is the guitar, it is likely muscular. Try different postures, sitting positions, leg positions, change positions frequently. See PT to get exercises to strengthen those back muscles.

AndreiKrylov

Re: Back pain

Post by AndreiKrylov » Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:07 pm

manhhung wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:43 am
Are you sure it is the guitar? May be see a doctor to make sure it is not your heart,lungs or spine. If it is the guitar, it is likely muscular. Try different postures, sitting positions, leg positions, change positions frequently. See PT to get exercises to strengthen those back muscles.
yes - guitar is very often a reason for back pain...
I had back pain too...but since I started (many years ago) to always play with strap - back pain never come back...
and I did and do exercise, chin-ups etc. :)

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Re: Back pain

Post by Michael L » Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:25 pm

A good physiotherapist will find the cause of the pain. Mine, following some treatment for my sciatica suggested I attend Pilates classes. I have found the exercises very helpful in strengthening my core muscles and the sciatica has not returned. You may find some helpful tutorials on Youtube but a class will be better initially. Here in the UK it is normal practice to check with a doctor before visiting a physiotherapist to rule out other medical causes. A general practice doctor shouldn't need to refer you to a specialist usually.

tcrist
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Re: Back pain

Post by tcrist » Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:53 pm

You should video yourself and see if you are leaning a lot to the left. I imagine you're too focused on your left hand. Look up at the ceiling or out to the right more. More your body with the music and don't get "stuck" in one position. Definitely try a cushion support or something else to adjust your sitting position a little. Mostly, I would suggest "sitting as if you are standing." To do this, stand up and feel the natural position of balance that your body intuitively forms. Adjust your balance in every direction and feel that balance become disturbed. Find the center again. Then feel the weight of your upper body being transmitted into your legs to the floor. When you sit, imagine yourself still standing, but transmit the weight of your upper body not into your legs but through your sit bones into the chair. Imagine yourself still standing, with the same feeling of balance you had when standing.

Hope this helps.

Ledhand75
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Re: Back pain

Post by Ledhand75 » Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:37 pm

I have had many years worth of problems with pain in my neck, upper back and left forearm, a good deal of which has been caused by improper playing posture and addressing faulty left hand technique. It took finding an excellent and attentive teacher to finally discover this.

Echoing much of what’s been what’s been written, it may be helpful to try a guitar support that will allow you to keep both feet on the floor. I’m a big fan of Alexander Technique, but after 10 sessions I did not find it fully effective. Perhaps more would have been better, but it can be expensive.

I too have found Pilates to be most effective, particularly in alleviating my sliumping postural tendencies. Vinyoga and massage have been beneficial as well.

It may be helpful to video yourself playing. You may be able to spot some habits that contribute to your pain, but in the few years that I’ve worked with my current teacher (after 35 years of playing) I’m amazed at how much I didn’t know about problematic habits that I wouldn’t have recognized even if I had seen myself with the guitar.

Ledhand75
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Re: Back pain

Post by Ledhand75 » Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:45 pm

Sorry, one additional point. My Pilates instructor has pointed out how many of her clients develop upper back and neck problems due to the amount of time that we spend hunched over smart phones and keyboards.

Depending on your own habits and type of work, a standing desk may also be be beneficial. Much of the work that she is doing with me is in “opening up my shoulders,” which are chronically rolled forward and inward as a result of my own work and cellphone habits.

Good luck.

Jamie Esliger
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Re: Back pain

Post by Jamie Esliger » Wed Dec 20, 2017 1:12 am

I'm getting a slight bit of back pain when practicing classical. Upper back right in the center, below the neck. I'm used to playing electric or acoustic standing up in my band(s).

I'm wondering what my "knee angle" should be for both legs? I also play drums and try to keep knee angle at 90 or just above.

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Re: Back pain

Post by Kirkland Gavin » Wed Dec 20, 2017 1:20 am

I dont have back pain from playing but sometimes my fretting hand in the upper left shoulder and bicep. I try to maintain a good position and relaxed
also look at my fret hand an make sure that i'm fretting right.

I like the comments here by several that offer advice thanks.

kirk

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