SE €..450 Hiroshi Tamura P100 spruce 1979, Sweden

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SE €..450 Hiroshi Tamura P100 spruce 1979, Sweden

Post by rinneby » Tue May 16, 2017 11:40 am

- Type / luthier: Hiroshi Tamura P100
- Year of construction: 1979
- Scale length (mm): 650
- Nut width (mm): 52
- Top: Solid spruce
- Back / Sides: Solid Indian Rosewood
- Fretboard: Dark solid ebony
- Action 3.9/3 mm with no room to go lower
- Condition: Good, but with some problems
- Price: €450 including hard case + shipping. EU only
- Viewing / trial possible: Yes
- Location (nearest city): Malmö

A great opportunity for someone with a little time on their hands. The action is 4/3 mm with no room to go lower, 10.5 mm from the top, no bridge lifting There are minor cracks on each side on the fingerboard, but the original construction is very well sealed from the inside. A little separation on the back (last picture). Should all be easy fixes, but I simply don't have the time or energy right now. Frets are in excellent condition and there are no other cracks or repairs. A sweet sounding guitar, that is very seducing and easy to play. The tuners are not original (Der-Jung). Bone nut/saddle. The guitar looks stunning and the build quality is top notch as expected from Hiroshi Tamura. The guitar was priced at 1000 dollars in 1979 which translates to about 3500 dollar today. This is a true luthier guitar that is built and signed by a one of the masters from Japan. Some actually say that he was the best Japanese luthier ever, even more than Masaru Kohno. If this is true or not I cannot say.

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Fell free to ask any questions. Shipping to EU only.

/Jon
1962 - Rokutaro Nakade
1992 - Manuel Bellido
2007 - Curt Claus Voigt
2017 - Tobias Braun

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Re: SWE €..450 Hiroshi Tamura P100 spruce 1979, Sweden

Post by Iain » Sat Jul 15, 2017 9:59 am

rinneby wrote:
Tue May 16, 2017 11:40 am
- Type / luthier: Hiroshi Tamura P100
- Year of construction: 1979
- Scale length (mm): 650
- Nut width (mm): 52
- Top: Solid spruce
- Back / Sides: Solid Indian Rosewood
- Fretboard: Dark solid ebony
- Action 3.9/3 mm with no room to go lower
- Condition: Good, but with some problems
- Price: €450 including hard case + shipping. EU only
- Viewing / trial possible: Yes
- Location (nearest city): Malmö

A great opportunity for someone with a little time on their hands. The action is 4/3 mm with no room to go lower, 10.5 mm from the top, no bridge lifting There are minor cracks on each side on the fingerboard, but the original construction is very well sealed from the inside. A little separation on the back (last picture). Should all be easy fixes, but I simply don't have the time or energy right now. Frets are in excellent condition and there are no other cracks or repairs. A sweet sounding guitar, that is very seducing and easy to play. The tuners are not original (Der-Jung). Bone nut/saddle. The guitar looks stunning and the build quality is top notch as expected from Hiroshi Tamura. The guitar was priced at 1000 dollars in 1979 which translates to about 3500 dollar today. This is a true luthier guitar that is built and signed by a one of the masters from Japan. Some actually say that he was the best Japanese luthier ever, even more than Masaru Kohno. If this is true or not I cannot say.

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Fell free to ask any questions. Shipping to EU only.

/Jon
Hi, do you think the cracks can be easily mended?

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Re: SWE €..450 Hiroshi Tamura P100 spruce 1979, Sweden

Post by rinneby » Sat Jul 15, 2017 10:38 am

Iain wrote:
Sat Jul 15, 2017 9:59 am
Hi, do you think the cracks can be easily mended?
To be honest, yes. The visible cracks along the fretboard are now invisible, since the humidity went up during the summer. And the slight separation on the back should be an easy fix as well. Regarding the string height I think you have to drill new holes on the bridge, to get a better break angle, or/and put on higher frets and maybe even slant the fretboard. So in short, its possible to make this guitar shine again, if you have the time.

/J
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2007 - Curt Claus Voigt
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Re: SE €..450 Hiroshi Tamura P100 spruce 1979, Sweden

Post by rinneby » Tue Jul 25, 2017 6:01 am

This guitar is now sold.

/Jon
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Re: SE €..450 Hiroshi Tamura P100 spruce 1979, Sweden

Post by MarcoLondon » Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:57 pm

Hi. rinneby, i'd like to get in touch. I realize this forum is a bit old, from Last summer.
I'd like to get in touch because I have a guitar which is exactly the same as this P100 you describe !
I purchased it in Italy in around 1980. It has cracks along both sides of the fretboard and also there is a visible break and detachment of the backboard, along the middle seam near the bottom (i.e. far from the neck).
These appeared in around 1983-84, and I have always attributed to poor storage, but now, small comfort, having seen this I am convinced it was a manufacturing defect.
Perhaps these 2 guitars were made from the same wooden pieces, or by the same clumsy apprentice?
Not sure. I had the guitar inspected by a Luthier in Milan at the time (1984), from his inspection he thought it was properly glued together, hence the feeling that it was due to storage, not thinking for one moment that Tamura would use unseasoned wood. For the same reason I (we) concluded it was not worth fixing it at the time, as the "surgery" would have maybe compromised part of the original construction, negating other gains.

Now, semi retired, I have rekindled my interest and would really like to investigate, and get the guitar fixed if it will improve its sound.
So, I wonder if you know more about the guitar you sold? and in your view what / how can these flaws be fixed?
I wonder also if there are others like this? maybe it was a whole batch of P100?
Thank you.
Marco

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Re: SE €..450 Hiroshi Tamura P100 spruce 1979, Sweden

Post by rinneby » Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:20 am

MarcoLondon wrote:
Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:57 pm
Hi. rinneby, i'd like to get in touch. I realize this forum is a bit old, from Last summer.
I'd like to get in touch because I have a guitar which is exactly the same as this P100 you describe !
I purchased it in Italy in around 1980. It has cracks along both sides of the fretboard and also there is a visible break and detachment of the backboard, along the middle seam near the bottom (i.e. far from the neck).
These appeared in around 1983-84, and I have always attributed to poor storage, but now, small comfort, having seen this I am convinced it was a manufacturing defect.
Perhaps these 2 guitars were made from the same wooden pieces, or by the same clumsy apprentice?
Not sure. I had the guitar inspected by a Luthier in Milan at the time (1984), from his inspection he thought it was properly glued together, hence the feeling that it was due to storage, not thinking for one moment that Tamura would use unseasoned wood. For the same reason I (we) concluded it was not worth fixing it at the time, as the "surgery" would have maybe compromised part of the original construction, negating other gains.

Now, semi retired, I have rekindled my interest and would really like to investigate, and get the guitar fixed if it will improve its sound.
So, I wonder if you know more about the guitar you sold? and in your view what / how can these flaws be fixed?
I wonder also if there are others like this? maybe it was a whole batch of P100?
Thank you.
Marco
Hi Marco, nice to hear from you. I don't think the woods were inferior or that is was a "clumsy apprentice" - Guitars are sensitive, and if you don't store them properly, they will crack sooner or later.

I gave my guitar to a local repair man, in exchange for work and he fixed the cracks and the guitar was good to go. It was then sold to a happy customer of his. To my ears is was a good mid-range guitar, but nothing more, equal of a 1000-1500 Euro guitar today.

Kind regards

/Jon
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1992 - Manuel Bellido
2007 - Curt Claus Voigt
2017 - Tobias Braun

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Re: SE €..450 Hiroshi Tamura P100 spruce 1979, Sweden

Post by MarcoLondon » Sat Mar 31, 2018 2:43 pm

Thank you for your reply, so it seems these are easy repairs, .
Did the sound / volume improve significantly after the repair?
Still unsure if it's worth it (no plans to sell it).

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Re: SE €..450 Hiroshi Tamura P100 spruce 1979, Sweden

Post by rinneby » Sat Mar 31, 2018 2:56 pm

MarcoLondon wrote:
Sat Mar 31, 2018 2:43 pm
Thank you for your reply, so it seems these are easy repairs, .
Did the sound / volume improve significantly after the repair?
Still unsure if it's worth it (no plans to sell it).
A little yes, but the sound improved the most by "waking it up" again :)
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