Bach, J. S. - BWV 1002 Double to Sarabande

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Bach, J. S. - BWV 1002 Double to Sarabande

Post by wchymeus » Fri Dec 29, 2017 7:39 pm

To end 2017 and prepare for 2018... nothing better than a little Bach. This one is dear to me as it mixes all sorts of emotions, maybe like my reflection on this year...

Best wishes to you all for 2018!
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Re: Bach, J. S. - BWV 1002 Double

Post by Luuttuaja » Sat Dec 30, 2017 10:28 am

Thanks for sharing this. Sounds like a good piece to end the year.

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Re: Bach, J. S. - BWV 1002 Double

Post by David Norton » Sat Dec 30, 2017 2:23 pm

Nice playing.

A suggestion: You may want to change the title to "BWV 1002 Double to Sarabande", as all four of the primary movements have their own Doubles.

I think it was Toyohiko Satoh (maybe Juergen Hubscher) who said in a L.A. lute masterclass ages ago that the 1002 Doubles were possibly not meant as stand-alone pieces, but as examples of how to vary the repeats of the primary dance movements. That being the case, a performance of the Sarabande and Double would not run Sarabande AABB / Double A'A'B'B', But instead be intertwined as AA'BB', which makes some sense (and also shortens the total performance time by 50%).
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Re: Bach, J. S. - BWV 1002 Double

Post by JohnB » Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:37 pm

David, that is an interesting idea. All the violin recordings I have heard have the double following the movement it is based on, as a separate though related movement. But it is still an interesting idea.

I very much enjoyed the playing in the OP, wchymeus. How about doing a recording where the Sarabande proceeds the double (or using David's idea) - as they do form a pair and it would be great to hear them as such.
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Re: Bach, J. S. - BWV 1002 Double

Post by Jorge Oliveira » Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:42 pm

Uau! David, very enjoyable to listen to, congratulations :). I don’t play anything at all from Bach, and I feel I’m loosing something... :|. Have Good New Year.
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Re: Bach, J. S. - BWV 1002 Double

Post by David Norton » Sat Dec 30, 2017 4:09 pm

JohnB wrote:
Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:37 pm
David, that is an interesting idea. All the violin recordings I have heard have the double following the movement it is based on, as a separate though related movement. But it is still an interesting idea.
A fine example of how this A A' B B' concept works "in real life" may be heard on Julian Bream's 1966 recording of the Gigue to BWV 997, on RCA LSC-2896. Every other recording I've heard of 997 treats the Double as a separate movement, yet Bream's LP treats it as a variation on the preceding basic or unadorned statement.
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Re: Bach, J. S. - BWV 1002 Double

Post by wchymeus » Sun Dec 31, 2017 4:35 pm

David Norton wrote:
Sat Dec 30, 2017 2:23 pm

A suggestion: You may want to change the title to "BWV 1002 Double to Sarabande", as all four of the primary movements have their own Doubles.
Thanks and I just did.
I will try the AA'BB' the seems like a very appropriate suggestion and you're right, played as written makes the piece a bit long (AABBA'A'B'B')...
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