Sor, Fernando - op.60/01,2,6,10,20 - Video

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Sor, Fernando - op.60/01,2,6,10,20 - Video

Post by RobMacKillop » Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:54 pm



It was my intention to record all 25 studies today, but family members, neighbours, road workers, delivery men, and even the sun, were against me. Then someone emailed saying they would like to lend me a French 19th-century guitar for a year or so. Now I'm thinking I'll save the complete version for that guitar.

I've tried to play with Sor's right-hand technique, as discussed in his Method from around the time of writing Opus 60.

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Re: Sor, Fernando - op.60/01,2,6,10,20 - Video

Post by Luuttuaja » Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:43 pm

I already watched this video as I was looking through my Youtube recommendations. Thanks for sharing your inspiring interpretations! I think the strings you use are just the right ones for this sort of music.

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Re: Sor, Fernando - op.60/01,2,6,10,20 - Video

Post by RobMacKillop » Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:55 pm

Thanks, Luuttuaja. Appreciated. Gut and silk strings on a flamenco guitar gives me just the sound I want for early music, 19th-century or earlier.

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Re: Sor, Fernando - op.60/01,2,6,10,20 - Video

Post by crisscross » Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:43 pm

Sounds really good, Rob!
I noticed, that in the first piece, you don't alternate the fingers, but use one finger per string and repeat it, if there are several notes on the same string. Up to which tempo are you able to do this and play rhythmically correct?

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Re: Sor, Fernando - op.60/01,2,6,10,20 - Video

Post by RobMacKillop » Sun Feb 03, 2019 2:36 pm

That's what Sor does, according to his Method. But he also mentions "sometimes" alternating index and middle on the first string, but never the others. He seems to keep thumb/index alternation for the rest. So, when things get too fast for one finger, there are options. He also mentions using hammer-ons and pull-offs for speed, though he doesn't notate this in his scores.

So, we can interpret his works with a modern technique, ignore everything he says, and still make nice music. Or we can attempt to play the music as he might have, and he wrote his Method to help us do that. I don't want to appear biased one way or the other, as both approaches are valid. But I do want to pay him the respect of at least considering his technique, try it out. I'm enjoying it so far, but he is not always clear in his writing, and sometimes contradictory. He does mention using the pinkie (little finger) on the soundboard when the thumb is on the treble strings, removing it when the thumb goes back to the bass strings. You can see me do that sometimes. And the pinkie touch is extremely light.

A further consideration is that he played without nails, and some of the techniques he uses are easier without nails, I think.

Here's someone who plays with a similar technique. Hopefully this extract will start at the 5'20" mark, showing speed playing:


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Re: Sor, Fernando - op.60/01,2,6,10,20 - Video

Post by powderedtoastman » Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:14 pm

Very nice, I will look forward to hearing the rest!

I actually find it's quite hard for me to get a take that I'm satisfied on pieces like #s 1 and 2 from this opus, because they're mostly a single line of notes. That leaves it more exposed and rather easy to listen back and find a detail that I don't like, which might be a bit more covered up if there was more harmony going on.

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Re: Sor, Fernando - op.60/01,2,6,10,20 - Video

Post by RobMacKillop » Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:25 pm

I know what you mean, but the harmony is all there. It requires confidence to play a single line, so, for me, knowing the underlying harmony well really helps.

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Re: Sor, Fernando - op.60/01,2,6,10,20 - Video

Post by BrianTakamine » Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:45 pm

Thank you, very nice.
Takamine CP132SC Solid Cedar top; Savarez 520 R Strings

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Re: Sor, Fernando - op.60/01,2,6,10,20 - Video

Post by RobMacKillop » Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:58 pm

Cheers, Brian.

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