For the Doubters

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Re: For the Doubters

Post by simonm » Fri Oct 26, 2018 8:28 pm

There is an interesting old thread here about the Torres "papier mache" guitar. viewtopic.php?f=11&t=29408 plenty of good links/hins if you read the whole thing.

One point made in the thread that we are likely to forget is that paper back then was not the same as today. Even newsprint was rag paper rather than wood pulp. The Barcelona museum where the Torres is located has others from the same period so it was not a completely unique experiment.

Here is another video of the Verreydt guitar in this thread playing some Tarrega. The video shown some hints about the construction and load of pictures of the guitar.

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Re: For the Doubters

Post by dory » Sat Oct 27, 2018 3:41 pm

The back and sides look like newspaper. However, in order for the guitar to have any structural integrity, the newspaper has to be extremely reinforced in some way. In fact, ordinary papier mâché woukd not hold up. By the time you have reinforced paper to have the structural ingegrity of wood you have something pretty close to wood.

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Re: For the Doubters

Post by coot » Tue Oct 30, 2018 12:46 am

David Norton wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:17 pm
Good heavens, would it kill her to actually play what was written? Ugh.
You might as well ask if it would have killed Villa Lobos to write exactly what he meant in his scores! The old Max Eschig editions are full of inconsistencies and ambiguities, so a really "authoritive" version is difficult to achieve sometimes. Improvisation is an essential component of choro music, so what's the problem? At the end of the day, this isn't a formal concert, it's just someone noodling around to demonstrate the sound of the guitar - so I don't imagine Villa Lobos will be spinning in his grave.


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Re: For the Doubters

Post by Lawler » Tue Oct 30, 2018 12:56 am

coot wrote:
Tue Oct 30, 2018 12:46 am
Improvisation is an essential component of choro music, so what's the problem?
Good point.

Thanks, Nick.

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Re: For the Doubters

Post by mvp019a » Tue Oct 30, 2018 2:32 am

chuckinphoenix wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 1:44 pm
Might sound even better if he had used a Brazilian newspaper
I think that's a CITES violation...

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