Francisco Barba 1962?!?

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Francisco Barba 1962?!?

Post by Folledanza » Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:38 pm

A "friend" is offering me this flamenco guitar for buying. He says it's a genuine Francisco Barba...
I'm not an expert on flamenco guitars but I'm a bit perplexed about the date on the label: 1962
As far as I know from what I found on the net Francisco Barba started guitar making in the early 70's.
I tried to contact Barba, but no answer


Any advise?
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Re: Francisco Barba 1962?!?

Post by Steve Ganz » Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:59 pm

This looks nice. The headstock is not what I've seen for Barba.
The machine heads look good.
He would have been in his early 20s in 1962.
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Re: Francisco Barba 1962?!?

Post by Lovemyguitar » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:16 pm

There's one (sold now) from 1969 that looks very similar to this one in almost every respect, including the headstock (not exactly the same, but very close) (just google 1969 Francisco Barba). The label is quite different, but if this 1962 is a very early one of his, he could have changed it.

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Re: Francisco Barba 1962?!?

Post by simonm » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:53 pm

Does it sound good?
Is the price acceptable?
If yes to the these questions, who cares about the name?
I have never heard of the maker but it looks good. And I also agree about the tuners.

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Re: Francisco Barba 1962?!?

Post by Folledanza » Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:08 pm

Thanks to everybody for the replies!

The name matters because the asking price would be fair for an early Barba work but really too much for aa unknown luthier guitar...

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Re: Francisco Barba 1962?!?

Post by Folledanza » Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:11 pm

from the site "www.flamenco-guitar.net"

"Francisco Barba (1939-)
At the beginning of the 1960s Francisco Barba started working as a carpenter with his father, until he decided, being 17 years old, to become a self-taught luthier. He learned and worked in the same workshop what is still his house in Arroyo Street, in Seville."

I can't understand how he could be carpenter in the early 1960s -so at least 20 years old- "until" he decided to become a luthier at the age of 17...?!?

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Re: Francisco Barba 1962?!?

Post by Folledanza » Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:12 pm

this is basic mathematics

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Post by Folledanza » Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:17 pm

Ok, I found the Francisco Barba website, it is in Spanish, but it confirms that Barba begun making guitar at the age of 17. So 1939 + 17 makes 1956.
1962 could then be right.

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Re: Francisco Barba 1962?!?

Post by Michael.N. » Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:19 pm

That would make it a pretty early guitar for him. You would expect changes to things like rosette and headstock as he developed. I visited him in the early 90's. I think he had his son working with him.
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Post by MessyTendon » Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:08 pm

If it sounds good and you want to live with it for a longtime go for it. It looks classy and that Rosette is amazing. What do you want us to do? Should we tell you how much of an investment it will be. If your heart pumps more when playing it, and you get happy playing it, then go for it.

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Re: Francisco Barba 1962?!?

Post by Keith » Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:24 pm

I suspect the date he became a carpenter working for his father is a typo. He would have been 17 in 1956 and since his age was given and it makes sense, age wise, then it is likely he began his luthier journey in the latter 1950's and a 1962 guitar would be from his early days. However, his age might be the typo and it shoots everything down. it would make sense to contact R.E. Brune as he is probably the best source to figuring this out.
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Re: Francisco Barba 1962?!?

Post by Michael.N. » Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:32 pm

He would have been in his early 50's, which seems about right when I visited him in the early 90's.
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Re: Francisco Barba 1962?!?

Post by simonm » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:57 pm

If he was born in 1939 then he likely started working with his father when is was 12-13 years old. Forget Hollywood childhoods. Back then not very many children would have been in school past 14. He would have been a qualified carpenter by 16 and could easily at 17 have started to make steps into guitar making before going full time into it.

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Re: Francisco Barba 1962?!?

Post by Folledanza » Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:40 pm

The guitar is very, very, nice: sound, playability, look etc.. but a bit pricy...
I'd like to buy a flamenco blanca from 60's and I have the choice between these Barba and a very worn 1960 Ramirez.
Ramirez wold cost me a third of the Barba. Soundwise Ramirez is really nice too, just very very used as a flamenco guitar played for more then 50 yeas...

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Re: Francisco Barba 1962?!?

Post by Carlos » Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:05 pm

In any case that would then be an early guitar produced at a time where he did not yet come to master all his later skills. You should take this into account when pricing the guitar compared with later vintages.

Other than that, on the pictures the guitar is really gorgeous!!!

Btw: which year is the ramirez? Which wood? And can you share the asking price? Perhaps it's a good opportunity as well..

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