help to play exercise 58 in book 1 of Sagreras.

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help to play exercise 58 in book 1 of Sagreras.

Post by Adilson Francisco da Silva » Sat Jan 27, 2018 1:02 am

Hello

I'm studying classical guitar by the Sagreras method. I did not understand how to play exercise 58 on page 31 of Julio S Sagreras's book "The First Lessons of a Guitar". Follow the image with the highlighted part in yellow.

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Re: help to play exercise 58 in book 1 of Sagreras.

Post by Kent » Sat Jan 27, 2018 1:09 am

That's a smiley face for reaching all the way to exercise 58.

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Re: help to play exercise 58 in book 1 of Sagreras.

Post by prawnheed » Sat Jan 27, 2018 1:10 am

It is called a "tie" in English. You should play the first note and hold it for the duration of both the first and second notes. So keep your finger inplace and let the E ring until the end of the bar.

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Re: help to play exercise 58 in book 1 of Sagreras.

Post by Adilson Francisco da Silva » Sat Jan 27, 2018 1:15 am

prawnheed wrote:
Sat Jan 27, 2018 1:10 am
It is called a "tie" in English. You should play the first note and hold it for the duration of both the first and second notes. So keep your finger inplace and let the E ring until the end of the bar.
Thank you very much. I was thinking I should play two times the E note;

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Re: help to play exercise 58 in book 1 of Sagreras.

Post by Adilson Francisco da Silva » Sat Jan 27, 2018 1:19 am

Kent wrote:
Sat Jan 27, 2018 1:09 am
That's a smiley face for reaching all the way to exercise 58.
That's true, the highlight was like a smiling face. :)

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Re: help to play exercise 58 in book 1 of Sagreras.

Post by Alyamepi » Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:48 pm

prawnheed wrote:
Sat Jan 27, 2018 1:10 am
It is called a "tie" in English. You should play the first note and hold it for the duration of both the first and second notes. So keep your finger inplace and let the E ring until the end of the bar.
I would find a dotted half note easier to read.

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Re: help to play exercise 58 in book 1 of Sagreras.

Post by prawnheed » Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:52 pm

Alyamepi wrote:
Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:48 pm
prawnheed wrote:
Sat Jan 27, 2018 1:10 am
It is called a "tie" in English. You should play the first note and hold it for the duration of both the first and second notes. So keep your finger inplace and let the E ring until the end of the bar.
I would find a dotted half note easier to read.
Maybe, but it would not match the time signature of the piece.

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Re: help to play exercise 58 in book 1 of Sagreras.

Post by DeeKay » Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:58 pm

Alyamepi wrote:
Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:48 pm
prawnheed wrote:
Sat Jan 27, 2018 1:10 am
It is called a "tie" in English. You should play the first note and hold it for the duration of both the first and second notes. So keep your finger inplace and let the E ring until the end of the bar.
I would find a dotted half note easier to read.
I guess this would violate the convention of imaginary barlines at the middle of the bar.

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Re: help to play exercise 58 in book 1 of Sagreras.

Post by musikai » Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:28 pm

DeeKay wrote:
Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:58 pm
Alyamepi wrote:
Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:48 pm
prawnheed wrote:
Sat Jan 27, 2018 1:10 am
It is called a "tie" in English. You should play the first note and hold it for the duration of both the first and second notes. So keep your finger inplace and let the E ring until the end of the bar.
I would find a dotted half note easier to read.
I guess this would violate the convention of imaginary barlines at the middle of the bar.
Was my first thought too, but the reason is the shared notehead which can't be set to a dotted half note (like in the other bars).
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Re: help to play exercise 58 in book 1 of Sagreras.

Post by Gutyev » Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:41 am

musikai wrote:
Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:28 pm
DeeKay wrote:
Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:58 pm
Alyamepi wrote:
Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:48 pm


I would find a dotted half note easier to read.
I guess this would violate the convention of imaginary barlines at the middle of the bar.
Was my first thought too, but the reason is the shared notehead which can't be set to a dotted half note (like in the other bars).
SAGRERAS_Gitarrenschule_2.png
This makes so much more sense! I was thinking that it was a pedagogical device to keep the student on its toes. It wouldn't be totally unheard of to have the dotted half note overwrite the dotted quarter, but then pedagogically speaking it would just be a mess.

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Re: help to play exercise 58 in book 1 of Sagreras.

Post by DeeKay » Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:43 pm

musikai wrote:
Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:28 pm
DeeKay wrote:
Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:58 pm
Alyamepi wrote:
Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:48 pm


I would find a dotted half note easier to read.
I guess this would violate the convention of imaginary barlines at the middle of the bar.
Was my first thought too, but the reason is the shared notehead which can't be set to a dotted half note (like in the other bars).
SAGRERAS_Gitarrenschule_2.png
Makes sense. I did not look at other bars (and obviously I do not know the piece). But then, it might even be more consistent to use dotted half notes in all bars for the lower voice (i.e. no sharing but offset noteheads). Or is there any rule against that?

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Re: help to play exercise 58 in book 1 of Sagreras.

Post by musikai » Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:47 pm

"You know, these 2 notes, the dotted quarter and this dotted half, are the same tone. One is for the left eye, and the one is for the right eye."
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Re: help to play exercise 58 in book 1 of Sagreras.

Post by Thorn Hill » Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:46 pm

Hi Adilson,

I think you are well on your way, with Sagreras! I love his Books 1, 2 and 3. These are always very interesting pieces.

I don't know if it is 'cheating' or not as a means of instruction (why should it be cheating?), but you can easily see these works on YouTube. Just enter Sagreras Book 1 or you can check out, if you wish, the following link that gives the playing of almost the entire book by a guitarist I enjoy a lot:




Ken

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