GR €.2700 Ramirez 1A cedar 1980, Athens

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GR €.2700 Ramirez 1A cedar 1980, Athens

Post by georgemarousi » Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:45 am

- Type / luthier: classical / Ramirez
- Year of construction: 1980
- Scale length (mm): 664
- Nut width (mm): 54
- Top: Cedar
- Bracing (fan/lattice/other): fan
- Back / Sides: Indian Rosewood
- Fingerboard / (bridge): Ebony ( with small radius )
- Sound: Traditional deep Spanish sound with rich, strong singing trebles ( Segovia - like ) and deep basses.
- Condition: Amazing for its age, played seldom
- Price: 4000eur
- Viewing / trial possible: Yes
- Location (nearest city): Athens, Greece

I'm selling my Ramirez 1A due to financial reasons.

It was originally purchased in Spain at the 80s, chosen among other 1A's from a Professional Guitarist.

The guitar is in an unbelievably good, like-new condition for its age! It only has a couple of small play marks that can barely been seen, a half mm small ding next to the bottom ( seen a little at the bottom of 1st pic below ), and a small hairline crack in the back - very hard to capture in a photo - repaired with the same wood many years ago.

setup:
An excellent Greek luthier has made new nut and saddle so the action is relatively low, with room to go even lower. ( basses 3,75mm, trebles 2,75 @ 12th fret ). For that to be achieved the bridge is shaved a little but has also been varnished, so it is again like new. Of course the original nut/saddle are also available.

Image. by George Ev, on Flickr

Image. by George Ev, on Flickr

I can take more pictures and/or sound sample for anyone seriously interested upon request.


ps. the guitar is also advertised locally..
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Re: GR €.4000 Ramirez 1A cedar 1980, Athens

Post by georgemarousi » Thu May 24, 2018 11:05 am

New crazy price --> 2900 euros for a fast sale !
This is a pure bargain for SUCH a guitar/condition, only wrecked 1A's sell there...

( valid only for a few days )

Please contact me for photos and/ or postage specs

Can an admin change the subject?
Thanks
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Juan Martinez nr 55 2014 (the comeback)
Yamaha cg 110 1988 (the 1st)
Gibson j45
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Re: GR €.4000 Ramirez 1A cedar 1980, Athens

Post by escasou » Fri May 25, 2018 4:42 am

Beautiful guitar, George. Good luck with the sale! :bye:

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Re: GR €.2900 Ramirez 1A cedar 1980, Athens

Post by georgemarousi » Wed May 30, 2018 7:09 am

escasou wrote:
Fri May 25, 2018 4:42 am
Beautiful guitar, George. Good luck with the sale! :bye:
Thank you escasou !

Can an Admin change the subject to €.2900 please?
Thank you!
Paulino Bernabe Especial 2009
Panagi Brothers 70's
Furch FN 23 CR ( nylon )
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Yamaha cg 110 1988 (the 1st)
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Re: GR €.2900 Ramirez 1A cedar 1980, Athens

Post by Scott Phillips » Sun Jun 03, 2018 10:52 pm

Is this guitar for sale to those of us in the United States? I figured I would ask because of CITES.

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Re: GR €.2900 Ramirez 1A cedar 1980, Athens

Post by georgemarousi » Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:54 am

Laudiesdad69 wrote:
Sun Jun 03, 2018 10:52 pm
Is this guitar for sale to those of us in the United States? I figured I would ask because of CITES.
Hi !

I'm afraid since I don't have any CITES certificate for the Indian Rosewood It would be a problem to send outside the EU :(

Just to mention a crazy idea; local pickup from Greece ( Athens ) as a solution just in case that someone ( or a friend of his ) could combine holidays in Greece and taking the guitar on the plane - don't shoot me but just a "take a wild guess" idea :)
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Yamaha cg 110 1988 (the 1st)
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Re: GR €.2900 Ramirez 1A cedar 1980, Athens

Post by Scott Phillips » Mon Jun 04, 2018 10:42 am

Thanks George. It looks lovely.

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Re: GR €.2900 Ramirez 1A cedar 1980, Athens

Post by DTut » Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:26 am

I thought CITES was only for BRAZILIAN Rosewood which is endangered. Is Indian also an issue? It was made decades BEFORE CITES...how could that be recently harvested against the rules?

I would be interested without the CITES hassle.
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Re: GR €.2900 Ramirez 1A cedar 1980, Athens

Post by eno » Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:43 am

DTut wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:26 am
I thought CITES was only for BRAZILIAN Rosewood which is endangered. Is Indian also an issue? It was made decades BEFORE CITES...how could that be recently harvested against the rules?
Yes it is starting from Jan 2017. Even if the label says that it's pre-conventional the paperwork is still needed for exporting/importing.
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Re: GR €.2900 Ramirez 1A cedar 1980, Athens

Post by escasou » Thu Jun 21, 2018 5:33 am

DTut wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:26 am
I thought CITES was only for BRAZILIAN Rosewood which is endangered. Is Indian also an issue? It was made decades BEFORE CITES...how could that be recently harvested against the rules?
From January 2, 2017, all species of the Dalbergia family, such as the Indian Rosewood (Dalbergia latifolia) needs CITES papers.

http://www.wood-database.com/hardwoods/ ... dalbergia/

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Re: GR €.2900 Ramirez 1A cedar 1980, Athens

Post by JohnH* » Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:26 pm

Just a thought... maybe the Ramirez shop could provide the necessary "pre-CITES" certification.
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Re: GR €.2900 Ramirez 1A cedar 1980, Athens

Post by rinneby » Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:37 pm

escasou wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 5:33 am
DTut wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:26 am
I thought CITES was only for BRAZILIAN Rosewood which is endangered. Is Indian also an issue? It was made decades BEFORE CITES...how could that be recently harvested against the rules?
From January 2, 2017, all species of the Dalbergia family, such as the Indian Rosewood (Dalbergia latifolia) needs CITES papers.

http://www.wood-database.com/hardwoods/ ... dalbergia/

:bye:
CITES is only needed if the guitar is made January 2 2017 or later, not before.

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Re: GR €.2900 Ramirez 1A cedar 1980, Athens

Post by georgemarousi » Mon Sep 10, 2018 9:33 am

rinneby wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:37 pm
escasou wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 5:33 am
DTut wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:26 am
I thought CITES was only for BRAZILIAN Rosewood which is endangered. Is Indian also an issue? It was made decades BEFORE CITES...how could that be recently harvested against the rules?
From January 2, 2017, all species of the Dalbergia family, such as the Indian Rosewood (Dalbergia latifolia) needs CITES papers.

http://www.wood-database.com/hardwoods/ ... dalbergia/

:bye:
CITES is only needed if the guitar is made January 2 2017 or later, not before.

/J
Thank you very much rinneby for the clarification !

By the way, for anyone that may be interested, the guitar is still for sale ( so, worldwide )

This guitar is not only collective and at excellent condition for its age, but has great sound and playability too !

Please ask for any additional photos or clarifications :)
Paulino Bernabe Especial 2009
Panagi Brothers 70's
Furch FN 23 CR ( nylon )
Juan Martinez nr 55 2014 (the comeback)
Yamaha cg 110 1988 (the 1st)
Gibson j45
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Re: GR €.2900 Ramirez 1A cedar 1980, Athens

Post by joachim33 » Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:08 am

I appreciate that Jon spent a lot of time trying to understand CITES. However my understanding is, if you ship rosewood outside the EU you need an export permit, for which you require to be able to show that the rosewood entered the EU legally (e.g. before 2 Jan 2017). So my understanding is, that the permits are typically easy to get for old instruments, but still required in contrast to what Jon thinks. In the end you have to enquire with your own authorities.

I know a major German based internet retailer who does not ship to Switzerland any longer, because they would need to apply for CITES permits.

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Re: GR €.2900 Ramirez 1A cedar 1980, Athens

Post by rinneby » Mon Sep 10, 2018 4:16 pm

joachim33 wrote:
Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:08 am
I appreciate that Jon spent a lot of time trying to understand CITES. However my understanding is, if you ship rosewood outside the EU you need an export permit, for which you require to be able to show that the rosewood entered the EU legally (e.g. before 2 Jan 2017). So my understanding is, that the permits are typically easy to get for old instruments, but still required in contrast to what Jon thinks. In the end you have to enquire with your own authorities.

I know a major German based internet retailer who does not ship to Switzerland any longer, because they would need to apply for CITES permits.
Yes, of course you need an export permit when shipping outside of EU, but that wasn't the original question:

"From January 2, 2017, all species of the Dalbergia family, such as the Indian Rosewood (Dalbergia latifolia) needs CITES papers." - This is not the case.

You don't need any kind of permit to sell a B-listed instrument inside EU (like this Ramirez), if you can prove its made before 2 Jan 2017.

With that said, it's always good to have a permit.

/J
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