When is a “Replica” a “copy” or a “knock-off”?

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Re: When is a “Replica” a “copy” or a “knock-off”?

Post by Beowulf » Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:32 pm

^^^^
Now I had not heard that one before...that is funny!
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Re: When is a “Replica” a “copy” or a “knock-off”?

Post by Contreras » Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:20 pm

Rick Beauregard wrote:
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One might say, what an interesting world it would be if classical guitars were subject to such a process; but given how many are relatively closely based on Torres, perhaps it is anyway.

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Re: When is a “Replica” a “copy” or a “knock-off”?

Post by Scott Phillips » Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:32 pm

I think the Córdoba Master series would be considered a knock off, as they aren’t exact copies. But they sure aren’t priced like a knock off.

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Re: When is a “Replica” a “copy” or a “knock-off”?

Post by Wuuthrad » Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:51 pm

I can't wait for someone to do a "Cordoba Master Series Hauser Copy" copy!
:ouioui:
At which point I will comfortably relax, sit back and watch, while the bigwigs, corporate hooligans and outlaw luthiers get themselves into some really hot water!
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Although, considering the size of the market, maybe ts just tepid water, luke warmish, or just cooling off...?
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Re: When is a “Replica” a “copy” or a “knock-off”?

Post by Keith » Tue Apr 17, 2018 11:00 pm

simonm--sounds good. I knew it was something along the lines of more floating about than he actually made.
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Re: When is a “Replica” a “copy” or a “knock-off”?

Post by prawnheed » Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:28 am

Wuuthrad wrote:
Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:51 pm
I can't wait for someone to do a "Cordoba Master Series Hauser Copy" copy!
:ouioui:
At which point I will comfortably relax, sit back and watch, while the bigwigs, corporate hooligans and outlaw luthiers get themselves into some really hot water!
:mrgreen:
Although, considering the size of the market, maybe ts just tepid water, luke warmish, or just cooling off...?
:ride: :grire:
Interestingly, they don't use the name "Hauser" for that guitar in Europe. It's called a "Munich". I wonder why.

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Re: When is a “Replica” a “copy” or a “knock-off”?

Post by Wuuthrad » Wed Apr 18, 2018 5:06 am

prawnheed wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:28 am
Wuuthrad wrote:
Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:51 pm
I can't wait for someone to do a "Cordoba Master Series Hauser Copy" copy!
:ouioui:
At which point I will comfortably relax, sit back and watch, while the bigwigs, corporate hooligans and outlaw luthiers get themselves into some really hot water!
:mrgreen:
Although, considering the size of the market, maybe ts just tepid water, luke warmish, or just cooling off...?
:ride: :grire:
Interestingly, they don't use the name "Hauser" for that guitar in Europe. It's called a "Munich". I wonder why.
Not surprising at all...

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Re: When is a “Replica” a “copy” or a “knock-off”?

Post by Michael.N. » Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:54 am

Of course there is a Hauser Munich model (not sure that he called it that). Very different from the Hauser Spanish model. They've used an association of some kind although the Cordoba looks nothing like the Hauser Munich model. Confused?
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Re: When is a “Replica” a “copy” or a “knock-off”?

Post by ddray » Wed Apr 18, 2018 11:18 am

So I wonder, did Cordoba pay the Hausers for the use of the name?
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Re: When is a “Replica” a “copy” or a “knock-off”?

Post by Beowulf » Wed Apr 18, 2018 11:21 am

Michael.N. wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:54 am
Of course there is a Hauser Munich model (not sure that he called it that). Very different from the Hauser Spanish model. They've used an association of some kind although the Cordoba looks nothing like the Hauser Munich model. Confused?
Bemused... :mrgreen:
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Re: When is a “Replica” a “copy” or a “knock-off”?

Post by prawnheed » Wed Apr 18, 2018 11:32 am

There could be many reasons, but I suspect it is to do with Trademarks - they can get away with using the Hauser name in the US, but can't in the Eu. Maybe there are terms in a license from Hauser, maybe they think they are not infringing in the US, but would be in Europe, maybe they are just prepared to take a risk in the US because of the high cost of litigation there, ....

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Re: When is a “Replica” a “copy” or a “knock-off”?

Post by astro64 » Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:44 pm

I think when KH started building the Hauser model guitars, they were all called "Munich", also in the US. I think there was also a "Madrid" model and a "Barcelona" (Fleta) model. I don't know if those names were initially chosen with copy right concerns in mind. I don't think there was every any attempt to hide what they were to represent.

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