Byers 613.5mm

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Re: Byers 613.5mm

Post by GuitarsWeB » Mon Jun 11, 2018 10:34 pm

My I recommend to all here who feel they need a short scale instrument, shorter than 650mm, that you have someone just build you a 613.5. That’s a 650mm basically with a capo on the first fret. I have played one of Kenny Hill’s at La Guitarra several years ago. It was actually quite playable. If you just drop down to say a 630mm or 640mm from a 650mm, there’s not really that much difference. You will notice the difference between a 650mm and a 613mm. I’m sure there are people here that own a 613.5mm that could give some feedback. I know Greg Byers,Kenny Hill, David Schramm both build that scale.

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Re: Byers 613.5mm

Post by soltirefa » Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:04 pm

GuitarsWeB wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 10:34 pm
My I recommend to all here who feel they need a short scale instrument, shorter than 650mm, that you have someone just build you a 613.5. That’s a 650mm basically with a capo on the first fret. I have played one of Kenny Hill’s at La Guitarra several years ago. It was actually quite playable. If you just drop down to say a 630mm or 640mm from a 650mm, there’s not really that much difference. You will notice the difference between a 650mm and a 613mm. I’m sure there are people here that own a 613.5mm that could give some feedback. I know Greg Byers,Kenny Hill, David Schramm both build that scale.
Byers 630mm



Hill 630mm


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Re: Byers 613.5mm

Post by astro64 » Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:08 am

Amazing how much "bigger" the Byers sounds. By comparison the Hill has a boxy character to it, and the basses don't have the same richness. Higher box resonance probably.

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Re: Byers 613.5mm

Post by soltirefa » Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:29 am

astro64 wrote:
Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:08 am
Amazing how much "bigger" the Byers sounds. By comparison the Hill has a boxy character to it, and the basses don't have the same richness. Higher box resonance probably.
While this observation is true, part of the difference in sound is two completely different recording systems.

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Re: Byers 613.5mm

Post by astro64 » Tue Jun 12, 2018 2:46 pm

soltirefa wrote:
Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:29 am
astro64 wrote:
Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:08 am
Amazing how much "bigger" the Byers sounds. By comparison the Hill has a boxy character to it, and the basses don't have the same richness. Higher box resonance probably.
While this observation is true, part of the difference in sound is two completely different recording systems.
I was wondering if that might be a factor. Greg does build his instruments to have a big sound so I am not surprised that part of what we hear is a real difference.

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Re: Byers 613.5mm

Post by nmshu1 » Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:09 pm

soltirefa wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:04 pm
GuitarsWeB wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 10:34 pm
My I recommend to all here who feel they need a short scale instrument, shorter than 650mm, that you have someone just build you a 613.5. That’s a 650mm basically with a capo on the first fret. I have played one of Kenny Hill’s at La Guitarra several years ago. It was actually quite playable. If you just drop down to say a 630mm or 640mm from a 650mm, there’s not really that much difference. You will notice the difference between a 650mm and a 613mm. I’m sure there are people here that own a 613.5mm that could give some feedback. I know Greg Byers,Kenny Hill, David Schramm both build that scale.
Byers 630mm




Hill 630mm

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2014 Otto Vowinkel Concert 650, C/BRW; 2013 Córdoba C9 650, C/MH
2015 Juan Hernandez Torres 640, S/IRW; 1986 Sweet Tone 640, S/RW Lam.
2016 German V. Rubio Concert 635, S/MP; 2016 German V. Rubio Estudio 635, S/P.E.
2015 Kenny Hill Performance 630, DT/MP

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Re: Byers 613.5mm

Post by astro64 » Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:27 pm

With a big sound, I did not mean anything related to action or even volume, but to the response of the instrument. A deep, robust, open sound. If the box is rather tight, raising the action might make it louder but it would not change the fundamental character of the sound much.

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Re: Byers 613.5mm

Post by Boya » Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:08 am

I really appreciate the recordings. But it is hard to compare objectively, unless we completely equalize all the factors including the audio systems/settings, microphone types/positioning, acoustic conditions, etc.

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Re: Byers 613.5mm

Post by nmshu1 » Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:43 pm

Boya wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:08 am
I really appreciate the recordings. But it is hard to compare objectively, unless we completely equalize all the factors including the audio systems/settings, microphone types/positioning, acoustic conditions, etc.
Yes. Judge by recording is not always correct. Just as reference...
2014 Otto Vowinkel Concert 650, C/BRW; 2013 Córdoba C9 650, C/MH
2015 Juan Hernandez Torres 640, S/IRW; 1986 Sweet Tone 640, S/RW Lam.
2016 German V. Rubio Concert 635, S/MP; 2016 German V. Rubio Estudio 635, S/P.E.
2015 Kenny Hill Performance 630, DT/MP

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